Trickflow intake on/car can't start!

GoBabyVroommm · Dec 27, 2007

I took the intake off to check out if my lifter was bad. I put everything back together again with some help from the guys on the forums with the vacuum lines and the car can't start.

When i turn the key the car trys to start for about 4sec and just dies no power no nothing. I'm thinking it might be the distributer, i might have put it in the wrong way. I read that before you pull it out make sure its facing #1 cylinder. I didn't do that but i marked where it was facing, and it was facing #7. I'm not sure if it makes a difference but let me know what you guys think?

cobra1923 · Dec 27, 2007

Really just sounds like your battery is dead or starter issues? Doesn't sound like anything that an intake install should cause but being "in there" might have loosened a bad connection....or maybe you just left the interior light on the whole time and the battery drained?

If you did the dist wrong it would turn over but not start or would pop at you.. to not turn over indicates something electrical

kck6894 · Dec 27, 2007

If your distributor was install incorrectly it should be backfiring and popping. It typically won't cause the car to just not start without causing it to backfire.

if you mark you Distributor, remove it and don't move the engine, it should drop right back in regardless of where you marked it. If you're still questioning it. Roll it engine over to top dead center on firing stroke and make sure the rotor is pointed at #1.

GoBabyVroommm · Dec 27, 2007

cobra i changed the battary. Lol I did leave a light on and i figured i just get a new battary cause it need one anyway. I'm going to trywhat kck said. I really dont think it would be the start cause it fired up easy many times.

R.J. · Dec 27, 2007

Did you turn the engine after the dist was out?

GoBabyVroommm · Dec 27, 2007

R.J. said:
Did you turn the engine after the dist was out?

I dont' think so. I say i don't think so only because the the dist. popped right back in the same place where the marks were at. What would happen if it did get turned over?

kck6894 · Dec 27, 2007

if you turned the engine your Dis isn't in the right spot. The housing might line up where it was but the rotor may have turned.

Roll the engine over to TDC firing stroke on #1 cylinder and check it. That will tell you for sure.

R.J. · Dec 27, 2007

Yes, pull your #1 spark plug and with your finger over the plug hole turn the engine (with a socket on the crank bolt) when you feel pressure pushing out on your finger then you are on the compression stroke of that cylinder. Now line your timing pointer up with "0"on the dampner. Drop your dizzy in with the rotor pointing at cylinder # 1 and your good. At this point you can eliminate timing as your issue.

kck6894 · Dec 27, 2007

R.J. said:
Yes, pull your #1 spark plug and with your finger over the plug hole turn the engine (with a socket on the crank bolt) when you feel pressure pushing out on your finger then you are on the compression stroke of that cylinder. Now line your timing pointer up with "0"on the dampner. Drop your dizzy in with the rotor pointing at cylinder # 1 and your good. At this point you can eliminate timing as your issue.

If you have a buddy to help you. You can bump the key until it blows air out of the hole. It will blow harder than a wrench and a socket on the crank. Then move it to the mark on the dampner.

gcomfx.com · Dec 27, 2007

Just to clarify if you are totally new to the "pointing at cylinder one"..... they mean pointing at the post in the dizzy cap that goes to the number one cylinder plug. One might be surprised at how many people don't get this part of it.

Also, check your plug wires to make sure they are in the correct order.

GoBabyVroommm · Dec 27, 2007

gcomfx.com said:
Just to clarify if you are totally new to the "pointing at cylinder one"..... they mean pointing at the post in the dizzy cap that goes to the number one cylinder plug. One might be surprised at how many people don't get this part of it.

Also, check your plug wires to make sure they are in the correct order.

Lol that was funny. I wish that was just it. I went over everything and it might be the starter or the start isn't getting power. The car starts cranking just fine and just kills all the power.

Everything would have fine if i didn't leave the intake sitting out of the car for 2 months. I got so busy at work. Note to self i'm not starting anything unless i know i have time.

Zero_chance · Dec 27, 2007

Just for the hell of it have you tried a jump box or jumper cables? Do you mean it starts cranking and then slowly dies out or cranks and then suddenly cuts out?

GoBabyVroommm · Dec 27, 2007

Zero_chance said:
Just for the hell of it have you tried a jump box or jumper cables? Do you mean it starts cranking and then slowly dies out or cranks and then suddenly cuts out?

It is doing just that. I put a jump box on it as well. I let it sit for 30/40 minutes and same crap. I had 2 different batteries on it already. I'm about to go buy a new one.

Lol yea this is one of those stupid things that breaks on your car after you install something. I've had this happen to my Cobra as well, just stupid random stuff.

mo_dingo · Dec 27, 2007

have you gone over the firing order 2 or 3 times? It goes counter-clockwise on the dizzy, 13726548 . the counter clockwise part screwed me up a few times!!!!

GoBabyVroommm · Dec 28, 2007

mo_dingo said:
have you gone over the firing order 2 or 3 times? It goes counter-clockwise on the dizzy, 13726548 . the counter clockwise part screwed me up a few times!!!!

I got the mustang book, i did the wires 5 times already. O now that we're on that, the mustang book shows 2 tabs across from each other. I guess those are the markers for the firing order.

Now on the dist. there are 2 tabs for the screws, 2 tabs for the clips, and 2 tabs on are on the dist. its self. Now that being said, i went off the clips that u snap in. Was that right?

Funny thing about this me and my buddy were so pissed because we never owned a sports car with a dist. We both a coil pack cars.

kck6894 · Dec 28, 2007

If this think is cranking and the suddenly loosing all power it sounds more like you have a loose wire. Check your battery cable connections at both ends. Make sure your grounds are good.

If it's suddenly looses power does it regain power as soon as you turn the key off and back on again?

If it's just dragging down the starter till the battery dies you might want to pull the starter and check it. Also turn the engine over by hand and make sure it turns free.

final5-0 · Dec 28, 2007

GoBabyVroommm said:
I dont' think so. I say i don't think so only because the the dist. popped right back in the same place where the marks were at. What would happen if it did get turned over?

Hello

I been following all this and it seems you are saying.........
it cranks fine but won't fire up like it should

Also ... It seems to look like ............
in your attempts to get it to fire up correctly ....
the battery drains down too low ... thus not cranking correctly

I have a bit of a concern about the Q being asked .........
what would happen it the motor was turned while the dizzy was out

Simply put ... you got two opportunities for tdc in a 4 stroke motor

One is for expelling the exhaust which is NOT the tdc you want to stab
the dizzy for correct operation.

The other is where both valves are closed to build compression for the
power stroke and this IS the tdc you desire.

That is the reason all those other peeps have told you ...........
to check if air is being pushed out of the #1 hole

Just think about it for a second

If your motor got turned over while the dizzy was out

Other events of piston position & valve position are outta whack

You got two timing events going on here

1) Mechanical event of piston, valves, dizzy rotor position
2) Electrical event of spark firing to piston position

Now ... if I did not understand something you said above
Please ... don't think I'm doing anything but trying to help here

Grady

GoBabyVroommm · Dec 28, 2007

kck6894 said:
If this think is cranking and the suddenly loosing all power it sounds more like you have a loose wire. Check your battery cable connections at both ends. Make sure your grounds are good.

If it's suddenly looses power does it regain power as soon as you turn the key off and back on again?

If it's just dragging down the starter till the battery dies you might want to pull the starter and check it. Also turn the engine over by hand and make sure it turns free.

Yup looses power and regains power as soon as i turn the key of and back again. I wanna say its the starter but i really have a hard time believing that you know. My GM friends would say,"typical Ford."

GoBabyVroommm · Dec 28, 2007

final5-0 said:
Hello

I been following all this and it seems you are saying.........
it cranks fine but won't fire up like it should

Also ... It seems to look like ............
in your attempts to get it to fire up correctly ....
the battery drains down too low ... thus not cranking correctly

I have a bit of a concern about the Q being asked .........
what would happen it the motor was turned while the dizzy was out

Simply put ... you got two opportunities for tdc in a 4 stroke motor

One is for expelling the exhaust which is NOT the tdc you want to stab
the dizzy for correct operation.

The other is where both valves are closed to build compression for the
power stroke and this IS the tdc you desire.

That is the reason all those other peeps have told you ...........
to check if air is being pushed out of the #1 hole

Just think about it for a second

If your motor got turned over while the dizzy was out

Other events of piston position & valve position are outta whack

You got two timing events going on here

1) Mechanical event of piston, valves, dizzy rotor position
2) Electrical event of spark firing to piston position

Now ... if I did not understand something you said above
Please ... don't think I'm doing anything but trying to help here

Grady

Don't worry I don't think your knocking on me. But i am pissed at myself for letting this happen. I don't know what makes me more made, that fact this happened or the fact that its still going to have a loud tick when i start the car.

final5-0 · Dec 28, 2007

GoBabyVroommm said:
My GM friends would say,"typical Ford."

I would have quickly asked them

Which auto maker had the most sense considering all this

One who put the dizzy at the back of the motor
or
One who put the dizzy up front for easy access

Really ... if one throws in a Chevy dizzy with no respect to timing

I kinda think it would not wanna start ... just the same

Don't take no chit off those Chevy boyz

Theirs stinks just the same :Word:

Grady

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