I've done this and honestly if you go into the project knowing it's necessary, you should consider another plan.Some guys/shops can notch the pistons while they're still in the block. That's another possibility if you're looking seriously at the 185s.
Some guys/shops can notch the pistons while they're still in the block. That's another possibility if you're looking seriously at the 185s.
I know that everybody is on some sort of budget. But why do a stock shortblock stroker vs a dart? It really only costs about 2-2500$ more. I used to think do the topend/bolt ons first to a stock block and later build a seperate engine. Why not the opposite. Throw the good shortblock in first and as funds become more readily available add all the other goodies. Yes you wouldn't make any power at first but you would have piece of mind that there are no limitations going forward.
That last sentence is very true for 8.2" power. I wish more people understood that.I think for people on a budget the future is just too unknown for that to work. You could land up with a $5000 shortblock car that gets outrun by a guy with $300 gt40p heads on a stock block.
Besides i really think that most that talk about a race block (especially guys that still have stock engines) are just dreamers. I'd bet there is less than a dozen active members here (i can only name like half a dozen) that have dart blocks. Goes to show how much of an undertaking it is physically and financially to build an engine that exceeds 500rwhp.
I agree with what you're saying. Especially for the "new" fox owners. My question is more based towards the guys that aren't "new" and are building a stock block stroker or 306's vs spending the little extra for a dart. My opinion is if you can't afford the extra 2k then you shouldn't be building a motor In the first place. And all those other goodies ie power adders,trans,etc basically doubles the cost.I think for people on a budget the future is just too unknown for that to work. You could land up with a $5000 shortblock car that gets outrun by a guy with $300 gt40p heads on a stock block.
Besides i really think that most that talk about a race block (especially guys that still have stock engines) are just dreamers. I'd bet there is less than a dozen active members here (i can only name like half a dozen) that have dart blocks. Goes to show how much of an undertaking it is physically and financially to build an engine that exceeds 500rwhp.
Well it depends on what te goals are. My intentions have shifted lately and have no use for an aftermarket block power levels. So if I followed what your post said, I'm bound to a stock stroke 302 or spend 4k on a bullet proof short block. While I normally agree with you, I can't swallow that one. For my dd, 400 whp would be tits.I agree with what you're saying. Especially for the "new" fox owners. My question is more based towards the guys that aren't "new" and are building a stock block stroker or 306's vs spending the little extra for a dart. My opinion is if you can't afford the extra 2k then you shouldn't be building a motor In the first place. And all those other goodies ie power adders,trans,etc basically doubles the cost.
Well I should have specified more clearly my point. After reading it I was not very precise. I meant the power adder builds where the boundaries start getting blurred. Yes a h/c/i build that's say under 425 rwhp and never seeing over 62-6500rpms I understand. I really don't get trying to do it with a turbo/blower. Boost would be to tempting to play with and eventually catastrophic. If the plans are never to go beyond the arguable limits of the block then sure. If the plan truly is a forced induction 500+ rwhp or anywhere close and regularly ran hard (drag strip,etc) then no f'ing way would I do it. That is my point. If the op can afford a good stock block build but had to wait for the turbo,etc. build the dart shortblock and then add all the goodies even if you may only make say 350rwhp until then.Well it depends on what te goals are. My intentions have shifted lately and have no use for an aftermarket block power levels. So if I followed what your post said, I'm bound to a stock stroke 302 or spend 4k on a bullet proof short block. While I normally agree with you, I can't swallow that one. For my dd, 400 whp would be tits.
I agree with what you're saying. Especially for the "new" fox owners. My question is more based towards the guys that aren't "new" and are building a stock block stroker or 306's vs spending the little extra for a dart. My opinion is if you can't afford the extra 2k then you shouldn't be building a motor In the first place. And all those other goodies ie power adders,trans,etc basically doubles the cost.
Goes to show how much of an undertaking it is physically and financially to build an engine that exceeds 500rwhp.
Here you go: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=SBF dart crate enginedo they make a decent crate dart longblock I can just order and have shipped up here?
any links? I want like 12psi
I did. With the engine still in the car. Very simple with the correct tool.Some guys/shops can notch the pistons while they're still in the block. That's another possibility if you're looking seriously at the 185s.
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