Tweecer or PMS

green_drop · Aug 11, 2004

I am looking to get one of these. I think the PMS would be more user friendly and I can understand most of the things you can tune with it but i am looking for other feedback.

Plus with all these mods.

1995 Mustang GT Convert.

-Ford Motor sports 4.10 rearend gear
-BBK shorty equal length headers
-bassani x-pipe with cats
-mac 2.5 cat-back exhaust
-jegster upper and lower control arms
-kyb gas-a-just shocks and struts
-gms subframe connectors
-FMS aluminum driveshaft
-Tremec TKO 5-speed transmission
-mac cold air intake
-FMS 65mm Throttle body
-Trickflow upper and lower intake
-Nitrous Express 150 shot wet kit
-Nitrous Express purge kit
-275/40R17 nitto drag radials in back
-245/45r17 BFgoodrich comp T/A in front
-Aeromotive fuel pressure regulator
-Aeromotive 255lph intank fuel pump
-Jacobs Fire control ignition system
-NGK spark plugs
-180 degree thermostat
-smog pump taken off
-Trickflow twisted wedge heads
-Gaskets port matched from heads to intake
-FMS Hardened push rods
-E-303 Cam
-Ford racing 1.6 roller rockers
-Pro-M 75mm mass air calib for 30lbs injectors
-Aeromotive adjustable fuel pressure regulator
-ford racing 30lbs injectors
-Ford racing roller timing chain

only 272rwhp. w/o nitrous. 360rwhp with nitrous with a NX 150hp wet shot.

How much of a hp gain can I expect?

1105 · Aug 12, 2004

To help you decide... $550 for the Tweecer R/T, around $900 for the PMS. The price for the PMS seems a little steep

VibrantRedGT · Aug 12, 2004

I bought my PMS used. Acutally it was never used but the guy never installed on his car. For me not only is the PMS easier to use but it doesn't require a bulky laptop in the car. I've owned both but haven't used the PMS yet.

www.stangtuning.com

Rootus · Aug 12, 2004

I chose the TwEECer. The user interface is better (the upside to having a laptop for tuning). I only use the laptop when I'm actually tuning, which is quite rare, so I'm not too upset about it being bulky. Also, the TwEECer supports datalogging, and I'm not sure the PMS does -- and datalogging is *very* useful if you're diagnosing drivability issues.

Dave

94TURBO5 O · Aug 12, 2004

1105 said:
To help you decide... $550 for the Tweecer R/T, around $900 for the PMS. The price for the PMS seems a little steep

What about the price of a laptop if you don't own one?

WhiteDevil · Aug 12, 2004

So with the tweecer you only need the laptop in the car while tuning. So you can take it out when you are just driving around normally?

Rootus · Aug 12, 2004

WhiteDevil said:
So with the tweecer you only need the laptop in the car while tuning. So you can take it out when you are just driving around normally?

Yep. When I'm not tuning, I coil up the USB cable and put it in the glovebox.

Dave

blksn955.o · Aug 12, 2004

94SC50 said:
What about the price of a laptop if you don't own one?

go to ebay and get a bare bones old one, I have a freind that got one (toshiba, windows 98 pent. procesor) for $200- and then even came across another one with a bad keyboard for free and getting that fixed.

BlackVert · Aug 12, 2004

i would think with all your mods and proper tuning, you should be able to make over 300 rwhp.

i have a tweecer and i just installed it. it gives you complete control over all the parameters the computer uses. the downside with having so much control is that the learning curve is steep.

but i am really interested in this stuff because i am a computer programmer who is interested in cars.

so if you are interested in learning how the eec really works, then the tweecer is probably a better choice. if you are not interested in all the details and don't feel the need to know what is really going on, then the pms may be more the thing for you.

FEESER 94 COBRA · Aug 12, 2004

I am having this issue i allmost ordered a tweecer twice well wance they were out of stock I down loaded the instuctins the pms does seem to be more for the computer impared like my self. Dont know what route to go probubly pms cause its easer?

Rootus · Aug 12, 2004

FEESER 94 COBRA said:
I am having this issue i allmost ordered a tweecer twice well wance they were out of stock I down loaded the instuctins the pms does seem to be more for the computer impared like my self. Dont know what route to go probubly pms cause its easer?

I think it's a mistake to worry about whether or not the PMS is easier because of the dumbed down interface. If you are going to be succesful tuning your car with either device, you need to know about *cars*, not computers. The interface is trivial, it's what the numbers do when they're in the EEC that matters. This is what most people find difficult. Having a different tuner isn't going to suddenly make understanding the inside of the EEC any easier.

Dave

1105 · Aug 12, 2004

nicely put Dave I had downloaded the Tweecer program and was looking around on it. There was a lot of stuff there that I didnt have any clue of what it ment, but I'm sure once I get one, spend a few hours playing around with it, asking questions, I'll understand it a lot more.

BlackVert · Aug 12, 2004

FEESER 94 COBRA said:
I am having this issue i allmost ordered a tweecer twice well wance they were out of stock I down loaded the instuctins the pms does seem to be more for the computer impared like my self. Dont know what route to go probubly pms cause its easer?

I have seen some posts on the TwEECer forums from people who are selling theirs for one reason or another. That may provide another way to get your hands on one more quickly.

http://tweecer.oplnk.net/

final5-0 · Aug 12, 2004

I'm with Dave on this one!

How can you modify something with the goal in mind being to make it better if you don't understand the thing in the first place?

Later
Grady

Redsnk95 · Aug 12, 2004

VibrantRedGT said:
I bought my PMS used. Acutally it was never used but the guy never installed on his car. For me not only is the PMS easier to use but it doesn't require a bulky laptop in the car. I've owned both but haven't used the PMS yet.

www.stangtuning.com

Thanks for the plug Joe!

Troy

Joes95GT · Aug 12, 2004

Redsnk95 said:
Thanks for the plug Joe!

Troy

Troy,

If you haven't already noticed, you are plugged on page 22 of the September 2004 (current) issue on MM&FF.

Your making it big. Your website is helping out tons of people, including myself. Keep up the good work.

Joe

GTJake · Aug 12, 2004

I bought a tweecer and the learning curve is steep as has been said. Grady and Dave make very good points. I'm looking forward to learning more about the EEC and learning how to better tune my car myself.

Jake

Redsnk95 · Aug 12, 2004

Joes95GT said:
Troy,

If you haven't already noticed, you are plugged on page 22 of the September 2004 (current) issue on MM&FF.

Your making it big. Your website is helping out tons of people, including myself. Keep up the good work.

Joe

Joe,
Yea I just noticed that the other day. That guy has been keeping us updated...very good running car.

Troy

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