VIN help please.

Lake Martin John · Apr 23, 2020

A year ago I purchased a '65 Stang Coupe with 289. There is the 11 digit warranty number on driver's side fender under the hood, AND, that is used as VIN number on Alabama registration. There is no VIN # in any of traditional places. Alabama Does not title vintage cars so registration is all I have. Can Ford (or anyone) provide a VIN # from the warranty number?

Olivethefet · Apr 23, 2020

I thought that was the VIN. Are you talking about the numbers and letters stamped into the metal on the inner finder?

Lake Martin John · Apr 23, 2020

[Yes Sir I am. Apparently, that is the warranty registration number with 11 digits. The VIN has 12 digits. QUOTE="Olivethefet, post: 9234073, member: 221146"]
I thought that was the VIN. Are you talking about the numbers and letters stamped into the metal on the inner finder?
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Lake Martin John · Apr 23, 2020

Lake Martin John said:
[Yes Sir I am. Apparently, that is the warranty registration number with 11 digits. The VIN has 12 digits. QUOTE="Olivethefet, post: 9234073, member: 221146"]
I thought that was the VIN. Are you talking about the numbers and letters stamped into the metal on the inner finder?

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None of the numbers in this 11 digit stream match any of the VIN explanation codes that the 12 digit VIN refer too.

Olivethefet · Apr 23, 2020

Gotcha. I'll have to look at my car when I get home tonight.

kiddiccarus · Apr 23, 2020

Links that MIGHT help

1965 Vehicle Warranty Number = Vehicle Identification...

I located the door panel plate and had a question. The plate lists this number as the vehicle warranty number. I assume that is the same as the modern date terminology "VIN"? We don't have the title for this 1965 mustang. I entered the VWN/VIN shown below into the Florida Vehicle Information...

www.vintage-mustang.com

Warranty number=VIN??????

I am going round and round with my insurance company. The warranty number is what is listed as the VIN on my 66 coupe. I just had the car at the DMV and was inspected, and comparing the stamped number on the left inner fender to the warranty number, the state of AZ is using that number as the...

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Classic Mustang Dataplate Decoder

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I am walking back to ask my mechanic on duty here right now to see what he can give me to help.

kiddiccarus · Apr 23, 2020

His response was that his 67 Falcon has no VIN on it except for the door, he also has the warranty number where your is. He is sure that your came the same way and over the years the one on the door has came off. Have you called Ford? I know that they can be a pain to deal with but its an option.

I have a few APPS here att he shop that lets me run the plate and that always gives me a VIN if its in the DMV. In your case I am not sure what i would get back though.

Here is an example of mine:

1995 Ford Mustang 6 Cylinders 4 3.8L FI OHV
LICENSE PLATE: KY 357DNF 1FALP4441SF156583

wicked93gs · Apr 23, 2020

This is where it "should" be stamped...the front fender apron. It is also on the door plate assuming you have that(I know you said its not in any of the conventional places). Is it possible you just cant see it?(might have to take a wire wheel to reveal...or do the charcoal rubbing thing. Was the front fender apron replaced? Hard to track down a VIN number....but I suppose its possible the DMV keeps records of that type. Any clue as to whether this was an original AL car? You can trace previous owners and maybe get help from them about cars registered to them until you can find something with the VIN.

kiddiccarus · Apr 23, 2020

I can see it clearly. My old Eyes cant read it though. 5F07T18015??
Using this as a test case to see if what I am doing will work for him. Or is this the VIN on yours?

wicked93gs · Apr 23, 2020

On mine, just an example....this particular one was transferred from the original apron when the car got in a wreck...and then I replaced the apron a 2nd time(because it was installed badly and already rusting again) and have yet to transfer it again to the new apron...mine is 66 though...just for the record, my VIN is 11 digits.

Olivethefet · Apr 23, 2020

That's the stamping I was taking about.

wicked93gs · Apr 24, 2020

This might help clear up the confusion. This is my door tag(not the OPs) and title(car is not yet registered). Notice the Vin on the title has an extra 1 after the 7 that the door tag does not have. For what it is worth...this title is dated 1977, other people can check their titles and maybe see if that digit is also a 1 or if it varies? Either way...it narrows down the vin to 10 possible numbers

kiddiccarus · Apr 24, 2020

Called Ford using wicked93gs posted number for the warranty tag, knowing the VIN that is noted on his title and they gave me the following:

The 6 digit number found on the inner left fender goes behind the engine code to create the proper VIN for the 65.

He seemed to be confident about this information. It does not follow what wicked93gs VIN reads but TENN is kind of a oddball state.

Found this site on the 65 Galaxy, has how to decode the VWN for a Galaxy, some things may be of value

1965 — SoCal Galaxie Club

1965 Ford Galaxie VIN Decoder

www.so-calgalaxies.com

Found this on CJ Pony Parts: VWN Decoder

https://www.cjponyparts.com/resources/mustang-data-plate-decoder

Results: wicked93gs

Model Year: 1966
Body Style: Not Found
Exterior Paint: Not Found
Interior Trim: Not Found
Date: Not Found
DSO: Not Found
Rear Axle: Not Found
Transmission: Not Found
Assembly Plant: Dearborn, MI
Body Serial: 2-Door Hardtop
Engine: 200 1V
Unit #: 180159

wicked93gs · Apr 24, 2020

So it would be T1 for an I6 1 barrel? making it a A2,A4,C2, C4, or K4 for a V8?

Lake Martin John · Apr 24, 2020

Sincere appreciation for all the information. But it looks like none of the solution s give me a VIN that matches up with the "decoder" plan to show me the original color, body style, engine, etc. On well, just though I'd see if anyone else had similar problems, looks like a lot of us are in the same boat!! Thanks again!

wicked93gs said:
This might help clear up the confusion. This is my door tag(not the OPs) and title(car is not yet registered). Notice the Vin on the title has an extra 1 after the 7 that the door tag does not have. For what it is worth...this title is dated 1977, other people can check their titles and maybe see if that digit is also a 1 or if it varies? Either way...it narrows down the vin to 10 possible numbers

wicked93gs · Apr 24, 2020

Lake Martin John said:
Sincere appreciation for all the information. But it looks like none of the solution s give me a VIN that matches up with the "decoder" plan to show me the original color, body style, engine, etc. On well, just though I'd see if anyone else had similar problems, looks like a lot of us are in the same boat!! Thanks again!

Engine is easy....you only have a few options T, C, A, or K code, and that is specified right in the VIN or warranty number, 200CI 1V for all T-codes, C-codes and A codes will be 289ci .....2v or 4v for the C codes depending. I believe all A codes were 4v, as were all K codes(K codes in particular should have been the only ones with the HiPo engine). Original paint color is listed on the door tag...in my case it is Y...which is silver blue. trim 22 which states blue w/ blue trim interior(though stripped down it sure looks aqua or torquise to me, and the seats that came out were parchment...guess someone repainted it at some point and swapped in parchment seats) DSO code on mine is 36...which is Louisville(guess thats where it was shipped?) Axle 2(2.83 non-locking) and trans 6(c4-automatic). 65A means it was either a coupe or fastback(not specified...but of course its a coupe)

Door tag decoder:

1966 Mustang Data Plate Decoder

This site is dedicated to the Classic Ford Mustang, the original Pony Car.

classicponycars.com

In the end though, the ONLY coupes that are worth enough money to be particular about the details are A codes(GTs) or K codes(HiPo engine)....they did after all make a million of the things...literally, which is why its very rare to ever see a coupe sell for more than 20k

Olivethefet · Apr 24, 2020

I thought all the C code cars were 2v. I know all A code cars were 4v and all GTs were either A or K with K being the high performance 289. All GT 350s were K code cars. Dont forget the D code cars. I believe they had the 260 v8 in them and had generators?

Lake Martin John · Apr 24, 2020

wicked93gs said:
Engine is easy....you only have a few options T, C, A, or K code, and that is specified right in the VIN or warranty number, 200CI 1V for all T-codes, C-codes and A codes will be 289ci .....2v or 4v for the C codes depending. I believe all A codes were 4v, as were all K codes(K codes in particular should have been the only ones with the HiPo engine). Original paint color is listed on the door tag...in my case it is Y...which is silver blue. trim 22 which states blue w/ blue trim interior(though stripped down it sure looks aqua or torquise to me, and the seats that came out were parchment...guess someone repainted it at some point and swapped in parchment seats) DSO code on mine is 36...which is Louisville(guess thats where it was shipped?) Axle 2(2.83 non-locking) and trans 6(c4-automatic). 65A means it was either a coupe or fastback(not specified...but of course its a coupe)

Door tag decoder:

1966 Mustang Data Plate Decoder

This site is dedicated to the Classic Ford Mustang, the original Pony Car.

classicponycars.com

In the end though, the ONLY coupes that are worth enough money to be particular about the details are A codes(GTs) or K codes(HiPo engine)....they did after all make a million of the things...literally, which is why its very rare to ever see a coupe sell for more than 20k

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Realmongo · Apr 24, 2020

Yes, you are pretty much right on all your statements. Just remember the D, F, and U were 64-1/2 only.

rise66 · Apr 25, 2020

You can not go by the door tag it could be a fake one. Here's my story. I bought a 66 Coupe at Mecum auction( I did not go to buy a car but it happens) I checked the door tag and it showed a 66 coupe color Candy Apple with Black interior. When I got it home found a tag taped inside the glove box numbers said White with Red interior Huh what the heck I had been had turns out you can get the tags made up to say whatever you want.

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