w.t.f Ford?

[Gearbanger 101]

You don't need a crystal ball, you just need to do a little research, make an informed decision, and hope for the best.

Its sound advice, but in the end its that last part that'll bite you in the ass. The first two get you most of the way there, but will still only get you so far. Any great car, no matter what its track record, or how well received can have its share of issues unfortunately. I like the piece of mind in knowing that should said issues arise and I’m still under my standard warranty, I know I don’t have to worry about it coming out of my dime. To me, that safety net for the first 3-5 years is worth its weight in gold.

 

[nmcgrawj]

Those wishing to retain their factory warranty, that's who.

I was not referring to upgrading the heads, swappin cams, or doing MAJOR mods. But if you honestly think guys are not going to change their car in any way then those are probably the same guys who arent bent on performance.


To me Ford underpowered the mustang which enabled the aftermarket to be what it is. But anyway,



My biggest point was that you compare factory powered mustangs/camaros/challengers. What are the odds of running against a 100% stock one? To me its slim to none....i never expect a car to be stock. You really think guys dont mod their cars? You seem like the type that "oh my car is acting kinda funny let me take it to the dealer" where as Kurt (revhead347) is gonna mod his car, if something breaks, he'll fix it to avoid the hastle of the dealer, and if its something really serious, then you put it back to stock and then drop it off. Obviously im not referring to putting stock heads/cams back in...but simple **** thats easy to hide.

For instance, you compare a stock mustang to a stock camaro but....

2010 Camaro - L99 Auto. We installed a Corsa exhaust system, Rotofab CAI, and SLP U/D Pulley.

Baseline numbers were 327 RWHP / 340 RWTQ. With a tune only it made 344 RWHP / 362 RWTQ. After installing the Corsa, Rotofab, and pulley it made 363 RWHP/ 376 RWTQ.

or


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l148wff-SXM



And if something happens, its easy to put it back to "stock" then to drop it off at the dealer.



And you claim that Kurt needs a better dealer to do work, yet will turn around and say 99% of dealers will turn u away for modified parts. LOL I've had 3-4 dealers challenge me...and i win every time. WITHOUT coming out of pocket. Its simply not being a bum and laying down for them. They will challenge ANY major warranty work no matter if the car is modified or not...its just a matter of how dumb the owner is to accept it.




With today's technology you dont need hardcore parts to pick up some good power. These arent 5.0's with horrible heads and intakes.




So again, Ford built the mustang to sell a ton of v6's to turn a profit and to provide a V8 mustang that has a huge aftermarket following and something for guys to modify if they choose. Or to drive stock and be somewhat happy. You cant have the best of both worlds....if i was Ford i'd rather build a mustang every year for the next 50 years then to have to keep cutting the program cause we cant sell units.....


but we can brag we make the most n/a HP



Ford is doing it the right way, quit your bitchin. Why would u want them to do something chrysler or gm is doing?!?!?!? Shouldnt gm and chrysler be modeling ford?!

 

[final5-0]

Well

Those who did not like CS's statement about ............

The Stang is a secretary's car

I mean ... Do you think more Stangs are sold to

Secretary type peeps ... OR ... Gear Head type peeps

Ford knows their market :Word:

I've always seen it as .....
They can sell all the bread & butter cars they want to
so
They aren't gonna FOCUS on what us performance peeps want

Don't be too hard on Ole CS

He just gave us ... Go Fast Folk ... a way to go beyond ... Secretary

Grady

 

[Gearbanger 101]

I was not referring to upgrading the heads, swappin cams, or doing MAJOR mods. But if you honestly think guys are not going to change their car in any way then those are probably the same guys who arent bent on performance.


To me Ford underpowered the mustang which enabled the aftermarket to be what it is. But anyway,



My biggest point was that you compare factory powered mustangs/camaros/challengers. What are the odds of running against a 100% stock one? To me its slim to none....i never expect a car to be stock. You really think guys dont mod their cars? You seem like the type that "oh my car is acting kinda funny let me take it to the dealer" where as Kurt (revhead347) is gonna mod his car, if something breaks, he'll fix it to avoid the hastle of the dealer, and if its something really serious, then you put it back to stock and then drop it off. Obviously im not referring to putting stock heads/cams back in...but simple **** thats easy to hide.

It’s pretty obvious you didn’t read any of my above posts other than the original one quoted in my statement, so I’m not even going to address the majority of your post, but take this into account….

If you think I'm the type that runs to a dealer because I can't do anything myself, feel free to click on the link in my signature image and check out my car. I built it entirely myself. That includes building the engine from the ground up, porting my heads and intake components, installing the blower, making custom parts...the whole shooting match.

...but, if I in fact did own a new Mustang and it was acting funny, then you're damn right I'd take it back to the dealer to fix. I paid for a warranty and I'm damn well going to take full advantage of it. You may be fine with wasting your own time and money, but I'm not.

...and what "simple **** that's easy to hide" are you reffering to? All they've got to do is see a scuff on a bolt, or a screw to see that you've been tinkering with it. As clueless as you think dealership mechanics are, you're the one who's fooling yourself if you think they can't tell when a car has been tampered with.

I used to work for a local Ford dealership and we'd catch people trying to pull the wool over our eyes trying to hide their previous mods after breaking something under warranty all the time. We used to live for these types and we'd actually gather around the service desk to watch their reaction when the Service Advisor broke the news to them that none of the damage was covered because of the modifications they performed. Watching them hit the roof, then shell out the cash, or storm out with their car in tow on the back of a flat bed used to make my week!

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Well

Those who did not like CS's statement about ............

The Stang is a secretary's car

I mean ... Do you think more Stangs are sold to

Secretary type peeps ... OR ... Gear Head type peeps

Ford knows their market :Word:

Now a days, I'm sure more gear heads buy them than Secretaries. That's a given....although I'm sure there are still more mustangs sold to non-gear heads than gear heads in general. The population of wrench turners on this board only represents a tiny fraction of the Mustangs sold in the last 45-years.

As for the Carroll Shelby quote....I'd bet the "gear heads" owning these cars in 1967 when the quote was made were far, far outnumbered by the "average Joe's" (secretaries included) looking for a cheap, sporty alternative to a Corvette, or the like. I mean...the car was only 3-years old at that point.

 

[Pokageek]

Alot of good discussion on this thread.

"Now a days, I'm sure more gear heads buy them the Secretaries." - Brian

True. Grady, I respectfully disagree with your take. Its not the 60's anymore. Again, just look at the aftermarket on our cars. How are your bowel movements going?? (just jking)

"My experience has always been that you take your car to the dealer when it breaks, if you want someone to screw it up more. I'd rather just buy a car that doesn't break."

Kurt articulated my point well in the statement above. I was being tad factious in terms of this thread BUT the proof is there and its a point worth making. Mustangs are very reliable cars. And I come from the school of not trusting the dealer for multiple reasons.

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"I used to work for a local Ford dealership and we'd catch people trying to pull the wool over our eyes trying to hide their previous mods after breaking something under warranty all the time. We used to live for these types and we'd actually gather around the service desk to watch their reaction when the Service Advisor broke the news to them that none of the damage was covered because of the modifications they performed. Watching them hit the roof, then shell out the cash, or storm out with their car in tow on the back of a flat bed used to make my week!"

You guys are talkin 2 different languages. I for one would not even consider breaking it from a MAJOR mod myself and taking it back trying to blame it on the quality or pass it off as a normal issue. CAI/exhaust, tune or simple stuff like that, not supercharge or something.

 

[maypo59]

Back on topic..

someones always faster.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

You guys are talkin 2 different languages. I for one would not even consider breaking it from a MAJOR mod myself and taking it back trying to blame it on the quality or pass it off as a normal issue. CAI/exhaust, tune or simple stuff like that, not supercharge or something.

I and most dealerships consider exhaust and CAI minor bolt ons (although anytime you tamper with ECU settings they'll write you off in a heartbeat), which is right in line with my original point....which was also stated multiple times throughout this thead. Its the member(s) who choose to skip to the bottom of the thread, without reading the posts made in between that end up missing the point and coming to conclusions without making an informed decision.

So yes....he and I speaking two different languages is quite possible on this one.

 

[sl03gt]

WOW!!! I was having a ruff day and some ricer gave me crap about a 370Z beating a stang. Didn't know it would cause such an uproar. I drive one of slowest Mustangs made. The magazines are comparing the new 6 cylinders to the 94-98 gt's. " The newere six cylinder has performance in comparison to the mid 90 gt models ". I really can't talk then.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

WOW!!! I was having a ruff day and some ricer gave me crap about a 370Z beating a stang. Didn't know it would cause such an uproar.

That'll learn ya!

 

[Pokageek]

I and most dealerships consider exhaust and CAI minor bolt ons (although anytime you tamper with ECU settings they'll write you off in a heartbeat), which is right in line with my original point....which was also stated multiple times throughout this thead. Its the member(s) who choose to skip to the bottom of the thread, without reading the posts made in between that end up missing the point and coming to conclusions without making an informed decision.

So yes....he and I speaking two different languages is quite possible on this one.

NM. I think you are saying MINOR bolt ons are ok..

Let me add that my Z28 was found out to apparently be a secret svc car after I bought it. It had NOT been de-tuned. The tune caused the trans to rev out too high when I hit the gas hard. It killed the trans which was apparently already on its way out. I claimed that I did not tune it OR know it was tuned. ALL true. Chevy covered it. Cost me $50, cost them $2600 (I bought the 100k warranty).

Back to Z's, they are for real.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

NM. I think you are saying MINOR bolt ons are ok..

Yes, that's what I was getting at. Minor bolt ons don't normally affect your warranty, so that's the limit that most new car owners tend to extend their mods to during that first 3-5 year period. I think where all the confusion was, was based around the “gearhead” comments. I don’t consider a guy that throws a CAI, or an aftermarket cat back on their car a traditional gearhead. To me a gearhead is the type like myself who will remove and take apart a perfectly good working part, just to open it up and see what makes it tick.

What should also be considered, is that dealerships in the last hand full of years are now more temperamental and suspect of owners doing modifications to their cars. With the shape than North American Automakers are in right now, the word has come from the big wigs at the top to be meticulous. There's no more "sweeping it under the rug" or "cavalier attitude’s" taken towards anything that may affect the longevity of the lifespan of the vehicle. Car companies are looking to cut costs and save money any way they can now. And if that means turning new car owners away for performing unnecessary modifications to their vehicles, so be it. Things just aren't the way they were years ago...hell, even back in the early 2000's. The grip is tightening I’m afraid.

But yeah, I guess to stay in line with the topic. 370Z’s are great cars. Not sure how much more can be said about the issue though. I’d think our little discussion made this thread more interesting than anything else posted.

 

[final5-0]

Well

You guys may be correct by what you say
but
By what I see in my parts of Texas

All I can say is ... This is what I see

For every 10 Stangs I see on the road

I'd have to say 9 of em only got one pipe out back

Grady

 

[xr8d302]

Amazing thread. A+++ Will read again.

 

[Pokageek]

Well

You guys may be correct by what you say
but
By what I see in my parts of Texas

All I can say is ... This is what I see

For every 10 Stangs I see on the road

I'd have to say 9 of em only got one pipe out back

Grady

The GT's come out after your bedtime most likely.

 

[Chythar]

WOW!!! I was having a ruff day and some ricer gave me crap about a 370Z beating a stang. Didn't know it would cause such an uproar. I drive one of slowest Mustangs made. The magazines are comparing the new 6 cylinders to the 94-98 gt's. " The newere six cylinder has performance in comparison to the mid 90 gt models ". I really can't talk then.

I hate to get involved in this shouting match, but this is a decent point. Technology always moves on. Newer tech gets created, things get faster and better. The ricer had the deck stacked against you - the cars weren't a fair comparison. Next time someone does that, ask him "Do you own a 370Z? No? then STFU! What kind of crap do you drive, and can it beat a Mustang?" Watch him crawl away with his tail between his legs.

There's always someone stronger or faster. But the Mustang has a reputation everyone wants to beat.

 

[revhead347]

I hate to get involved in this shouting match, but this is a decent point. Technology always moves on. Newer tech gets created, things get faster and better. The ricer had the deck stacked against you - the cars weren't a fair comparison. Next time someone does that, ask him "Do you own a 370Z? No? then STFU! What kind of crap do you drive, and can it beat a Mustang?" Watch him crawl away with his tail between his legs.

There's always someone stronger or faster. But the Mustang has a reputation everyone wants to beat.

Good point. He obviously wouldn't have brought it up, if the Mustang hadn't set the bar.

Kurt

 

[xr8d302]

I've always said that the Mustang is not so much a car as it is a unit of measurements when gauging the speed of any competition.

Example:

"My CRX is pretty modded"
"Oh yeah?"
"Yeah it beats mustangs all the time"
"Idiot."

 

[Gearbanger 101]

"My CRX is pretty modded"
"Oh yeah?"
"Yeah it beats mustangs all the time"
"Idiot."

Appropriate resonse.

I would have also accepted

Fool
Moron
Dilusional
Dumb Ass
Dreamer
Liar
Dip ****
and "Are you off your meds again?"

 

[KamiKaziDK]

I'd like to see someone get some backseat action in a 370......Need I say more???