What Should The Next Daily Driver Be?

FastDriver

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When I come back to America, presumably next summer, from being stationed in Germany, I will sell my trust '97 BMW and get something similar to it stateside. I've analyzed some of the cars, but there's no clear winner in my mind. Here's some of my analysis. Have I overlooked any cars that would be competitive with these cars?

Things I love about the BMW that I'd like/would be nice to replicate in the next car:
1. So prevalent, I could always find about 10 of them in any normal junkyard. This made replacement parts cheap and plentiful
2. Easy to work on (every german mechanic has done everything on this car multiple times)
3. Super reliable engine and manual transmission
4. Low maintenance (just standard stuff, really)
5. Excellent fuel economy (low-mid 20s city/mid 30s highway)
6. Cheap initial purchase (Current 318i cost $1,750 when new. I'd prefer to be at $3k or less, but *could* afford more if the car was a huge leap ahead of anything else in this price range). Mostly, I like having a car I'm not afraid to dent or soil, or one that will continue to depreciate significantly due to age.
7. timing chain (or non-interference with belt)
8. Rear wheel drive (I think this is going to be hard to find)
9. 4-door/5-passenger with plenty of trunk space for luggage/equipment (hatchbacks work for me too)

Some things I don't have but wish I did:
1. CRUISE CONTROL
2. rear-wheel discs
3. A little more leg room to stretch out my 36" inseam legs.
4. Folding rear seats to add storage space

Absolute no-gos:
1. Auto tranny
2. poor safety or reliability ratings
3. Price range is just about right

As a quick observation, there are essentially no rear-wheel drive economy sedans anymore. I guess FWD has won that market completely in America.

With all that stuff, I've looked for the stateside equivalent of my car. I've looked closely at the '03-'05 Focus, '98-'02 Toyota Corolla, '04-'05 Mazda 3, '03-'04 Jetta TDI.

'01-'02 Corolla: I started with the Corolla because it was the most common vehicle sold in those years.
Pros:
1. Maintenance/reliability/fuel economy had the highest mileage of the gassers at 28/37 (fueleconomy.gov)
2. Price range is spot on
3. best selling car of all time, apparently, which means I should find them prevalent in any junkyard
Cons (from what I gather):
1. Handles like a floating log
2. rear seat doesn't fold down to add trunk room
3. rear wheel discs not available
4. I'm guessing that new foreign OEM parts are more expensive, but that this is offset by the high reliability and proven last model years design.

'03-'05 Ford Focus: Almost but not quite...
Pros:
1. Drivetrains have Great reliability particularly with the Duratec motors, just minor problems with the earlier Zetec and SPI motors like timing belt replacement, thermostat housing cracking (ZETEC), valve dropping (SPI), ignition cylinder/lock malfunctions (up to '04, and requires drilling once failed)
2. Great ride and handling from what I've read
3. Prevalent car with cheap and easy to find parts
4. Cheapest purchase price (most hit by resale/depreciation values)
5. Best driver, passenger, and rear passenger spaciousness
6. 2.0 Duratec from '05+ is the best blend of power (136hp), reliability, and fuel economy in the Focus
7. 2.3 Duratec from '03-'07 makes great power (151hp) and is very reliable
8. Overal reliability: All of the recalls and problems associated with early Foci were worked out before these model years.
9. Fold down 60/40 rear seats allow a significant increase in luggage room.
10. "Good" crash test ratings
Cons:
1. 2.3 duratec seems to be the only '03-'04 motor with excellent reliability and no history of issues, but also returns only decent fuel economy for this class of car 22/30. The SVT version makes great power, but crap fuel mileage and has the same ZETEC reliability issues.
2. '03-'04 Interior looks goofy, as one article put it, it looks like the interior, with all it's funky shapes and asymmetry, was designed by bad geometry teachers. Don't like the placement of the cup holders, no practical center console storage space
3. rear-disc brakes were never combined with the 2.3L motor until the '05 ST, which also upped the power, but downed the fuel economy of the motor. The ZTS model from '04 and earlier had an advancetrac option that added disc brakes along with traction control, but only combined them with the non-SVT ZETEC 2.0L engine.
4. worst fuel economy of the cars already mentioned 24/32 for SPI, 22/29 for ZETEC (dismal for the class), and 22/30 for the 2.3 Duratec. On '05 models the 2.0 duratec gave 22/32 EPA ratings. Honestly, even though it's the lowest of the group, I think I'd be happy with the 2.0 duratec's mileage. The SPI was apparently a dog and anti-fun. The ZETEC is outperformed, less reliable, and less efficient than the 2.3 Duratec. So, I'd only settle for one of the Duratec motors, though I'd prefer not to trade 15hp for 7% FE reduction.
5. Lifetime airfilter... WTF? Apparently, it requires special tools to replace and is not designed to be replaced except every 100k miles at a dealership.

'04-'05 Mazda 3: More performance than any other with better economy than the Focus?
Pros:
1. Same basic motors as the duratec Focus engines, but they actually made more power in this platform (148 for the 2.0, and 160 for the 2.3). 2.3 available in '05+ only.
2. 2.0L has Fuel economy slightly better than the Focus with the same engine (24/32 Mz3 vs. 22/32 Focus). Also, 2.0L Duratec is available in the '04 version
3. 4-wheel discs are standard!!! Stopping distances measured in several tests are correspondingly extremely impressive for a compact sedan
4. Interior design is much more pleasing to me. Dash is symmetric; center console has usable storage box.
5. Platform is the same as the '05 Euro focus redesign (a newer generation focus platform that wasn't adopted in the states until '12?)
6. Reviewers have almost unanimously praised the gearbox as better than any other in this segment
Cons:
1. Interior may be more cramped (anybody that's tall driven one?)
2. Hatchback might be preferable because I've read the size of the trunk door is restrictive
3. initial price is too far on the high side of the Focus. Has retained value much better than the Focus. A little searching today showed Foci in the $2,700-3,200 range while the Mz3s were being listed in the $5k-6,200 range.
4. Crash testing shows a significant decrease in side crash tests in comparison to the Focus. However, NHTSA did not conduct the test with a 4 or 5 door, or with side airbags, I believe. The Focus had poor side impact ratings for back seat passengers in the 3-door models, but not in the 4-5 door models.
5. '04 is first year of a new model, which automatically makes me nervous. Known issues include motor-mount failures, body rusts more easily, weaker a/c, worse than average interior squeaks and rattles,
6. brakes strangely designed to activate rear brakes more than the fronts during normal stops. Many Mz3 owners report going to through multiple sets of rear pads while the fronts last upwards of 200k miles. Apparently, it was intentionally engineered to do this under normal stopping.


VW Jetta TDI: insane fuel economy
Pros:
1. exceptional diesel gas mileage at like 35/44 or something equally ridiculous,
2. Love the German style/practicality
I didn't go much further because:
Cons:
1. Nearly every thread I read about the reliability of the cars was plagued with significant problems
2. Generally people said that the increased const of diesel in the states offsets the gains from efficiency
3. I have no experience working on diesel motors
4. 90-ish hp? bleh!

So that's about as far as I've dug so far. What other cars should I be considering? Have I missed any significant ups or downs about the top vehicles?
 
Id chime in on the Mz3, great car and my current DD. I drive the 07 sport, issues have been addressed in this model year forward.

Insanely reliable as far as maintenance wise. Motor mounts have held up, brake pads are like new at 70k. Love this little car.
 
Only problem is that the car books for $7,000-$7,700 for average to excellent condition, and if what I looked at earlier is any indication, good ones are listed over book value. That's out of the price range I will shop for. FWIW, I took a look at the Mz3 predecessor, the protoge which has a lot of good feedback, but decided that the fuel efficiency would not satisfy me.

I'm still open to the possibility of an '04-05 Mz3, but prices will have to come down, and I'll have to find a car I feel confident has gotten past these issues with previous owners. I'm not that afraid of rust. I think good inspection and preventative maintenance once or twice a year is enough to protect from rust. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong one day, but I believe the rusted out cars are often neglected or mistreated.
 
Only problem is that the car books for $7,000-$7,700 for average to excellent condition, and if what I looked at earlier is any indication, good ones are listed over book value. That's out of the price range I will shop for. FWIW, I took a look at the Mz3 predecessor, the protoge which has a lot of good feedback, but decided that the fuel efficiency would not satisfy me.

I'm still open to the possibility of an '04-05 Mz3, but prices will have to come down, and I'll have to find a car I feel confident has gotten past these issues with previous owners. I'm not that afraid of rust. I think good inspection and preventative maintenance once or twice a year is enough to protect from rust. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong one day, but I believe the rusted out cars are often neglected or mistreated.
Try the 06
 
German parts are generally not cheap, even the non-premium Volkswagen brand seems to have more expensive parts then average of even Japanese counterparts. I would also argue the durability of the year of Focus you picked is kind of "meh", I mean not horrible but not on par with Japanese counterparts (though arguably better than similar vintage Cavalier/Sunfires or Neons).

The generation of Mazda3 you mentioned are notorious for being rusters, and this is something that has only popped up in recent years now that they have reached this age.

Corollas (and most Toyotas) are amazing for reliability, though I would go maybe a little newer than '01-'02, I could almost swear the auto industry engineers cars for 10-years of use at tops without significant problems, this is especially true considering how planned obsolescence means parts for even fairly new cars are hard to come by, I have heard for example '99-'04 "New Edge" Mustangs now have parts that are no longer available from Ford new.
 
Thanks for your thoughts. Concur with everything except the reliability of the Focus. The only common problems seem to be the ignition lock cylinder, and the thermostat housing on the ZETEC motors, which I would avoid anyway. Or am I missing something?

Maybe the autos aren't the most reliable... I really don't know, but as I would only drive a manual, that wouldn't matter. Parts cheap, cars are everywhere. A lot of the parts bin is shared up through '10 models. The cars are a dime a dozen.

I think the auto industry has to stop producing parts... If they made parts forever, no one would buy new stuff.
 
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I'd like to poll the junk yards and see the average age of cars out there; because I keep seeing newer and newer cars.. and I drive an 07!
 
I think the auto industry has to stop producing parts... If they made parts forever, no one would buy new stuff.

This is true, but I think the issue is the rate at which parts are taken out of production, sometimes it isn't even ten years it seems (basically the bear legal minimum). This makes it harder to maintain older cars that may have no issues with them, this isn't as much as a problem with "cult" cars that have a fan following such as Mustangs, but "ordinary" cars that people do not considering "exciting" such as a Ford Tempo. Basically, I feel the issue is car makers are shuffling along people a bit too fast to their newer products for the sake of making extra coin, again I am not advocating car makers support their products forever (or any business for that matter), just that I feel the amount of time they support their stuff is a bit on the short side.
 
Meh I dunno.

Any business will supply a product when there is a demand.

Take the Tempo. I don't see them on the roads anymore. It is because they stopped making parts and no one could fix them, or is it because no one was bothering to buy parts to fix them?

I know everyone wants to think conspiracy and let's make then buy a new car. There are many older cars I do see and most of them are foreign.

Also don't forget the cash for clunkers program that took a lot of domestic cars off the road. That may be the root of a conspiracy.

Either way the business aspect just doesn't support making parts. I'm sure Ford has all the dies and casts to make Tempo parts...but to retool to make parts for the 10 people that still have one on the road, not worth the money.

And before I forget my point...some makes and models have parts that are shared this making them more logical to produce and sell.

Take the Fox...how many other vehicles can you take parts from and they work?

Junk yards...not sure that would tell us much. Most of the ones here are wrecked cars and not ones people oust could find parts for.

Just food for thought. Going back to boobies.