Whipple and Lysholm Tech. - ???

[Jenns01TA]

Well, Mr. Stenback's (CEO, Lysholm Technologies) October 23rd timeframe on conveying information to me on the status of their supplier relationship with Whipple has obviously came and went.

I am still hearing about individuals seeking product release information from Whipple getting the brush off too. So, I just sent the following to Mr. CEO of Lysholm and we will see what this man has to say for himself. Probably nothing at all, which could be a BIG INDICATOR of why Whipple is getting a little pissed off at them as a S/C Supplier. Turd!

If given an opportunity, I would still prefer to purchase one of their S/Cs stand-alone and locate a company to assemble the blower and kit components.


Subject: Re: SV: Probable Secondary Market Route for Lysholm S/C in United States
Date: 12/17/2005 12:14:37 PM Central Standard Time
From: Jenns05Stang
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Mr. Stenbäck

A few of my members on the website are still encountering issues with Whipple on the timing of their SCs for the 05 platform. I was writing to inquire as to the status of your arrangement with Whipple and hoping to hear some positive information that I can relay to my forum members.

I am disappointed that you did not respond to me as you indicated in the email below. As the main representative of Lysholm, I hope that you do not conduct yourself in other communications in a like manner. Human perceptions will tend to question the integrity of a Company based on their interactions with the individuals of the Company as a whole. Please keep this in mind in the future, it can only aide you in the future.

Thank you in advance for your response.

Jennifer S. White

In a message dated 10/23/2005 10:18:34 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Dear Jennifer,


I apologize for the long response time and update, we hope to have some news for you during the

week beginning Monday October 24th. I will try to update you at the latest by Friday this week.


Best regards

Martin Stenbäck

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Ämne: Probable Secondary Market Route for Lysholm S/C in United States



Mr. Stenback,


As you indicated in your email of September 16th, you are in the middle of your supplier proceedings with Whipple Industries.

I am not a sales person, I am a simple consumer who feels your product is the best on the market and would be disappointed to see the Lysholm Twin Screw diminish in platform sales for the Ford Mustang.

As a senior member and active moderator of a large Mustang forum in the United States, I have the ability to set-up group purchases with other site members (we have approximately 90,000 members). Many are interested in your twin screw superchargers and have been waiting to see what the status of the proceedings with Whipple is. If in the event your business arrangement cannot be continued with Whipple, I respectfully request your consideration of allowing me to facilitate a group purchase of your products for direct shipment to the end consumer if this is possible.

Thank you again for your time and consideration of this alternative marketing and sales route.

Jennifer S. White

Moderator and Senior Member
Stangnet.com

 

[bigcat]

and most of the hype you hear about whipple is that they are taking their time for R&D. why cant they just settle this now and give us a top notch product?

 

[Jenns01TA]

http://www.opconab.com/index.asp?sPage=1&langID=2&cID=14

Not sure Bigcat. I am a patient lady though.

 

[subzero05]

Its not lysholm..Its whipple..I have said this before.there is A LOT the general public is not aware of regarding whipple that us in the aftermarket industry know about.

 

[bigcat]

fill us in!!!! :SNSign:

 

[Jenns01TA]

I agree, Bigcat. Please Subzero, fill me in. I have been in contact with the CEO of Lysholm and I would say that from what he has told me, yes, it is Whipple. My end assumption is that Art Whipple has got an inclination to try to produce a T/S SC on his own. What is your take on the situation? I am interested.

Lysholm, to my understanding, it the ONLY producer of Twin-screw cores for SC on the market. They are currently working with Eaton for the blower and installation kit, but from here...I am lost.

Jenn

 

[subzero05]

lysholm and autorotor are the twin screw sc guys and I think autorotor is under the lysholm ownership now, but I may be wrong on that one.Let's just say a little birdie (from ford) told me whipple lost the contract with ford racing and they are looking elsewhere.That same birdie told me that whipple has had a bunch of financial problems and thus lysholm has cut them off....You guys can fill in the rest of the story....

 

[Jenns01TA]

Saleen and Lysholm...

Just got in from work and received some good news. It appears that Saleen is the new NA supplier other than Eaton. Here are the email responses I received from Saleen's VP of Engineering, Bill Tally and also Martin Stenback. I am very pleased with these gentleman's responses and will provide a reply tomorrow.

I have the PDF press release and will read it later, as well as convert it for posting.

I would say that if imdividuals here have some questions after reviewing the information provided, NOW would be the time to ask. We have their attention fellas. Make me proud.

Subject: SV: SV: Probable Secondary Market Route for Lysholm S/C in United States
Date: 12/19/2005 3:05:10 AM Central Standard Time
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Dear Jennifer,

We have unfortunately had legal counsel instruct us how to communicate in this matter, which has just recently been resolved in the
manner which I can only indicate by sending you a copy of our latest press release. I could at the time of my E-mail to you not for one
second believe that this matter would be drawn out in this fashion. I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you and your members.
I’m sure that you understand my reluctance to act beyond the “gag order” from legal counsel. However if there is anything I can do to assist you
from today forward I will be more than happy to help out. My strong recommendation for you and your members would be to have a look at
the best available product on the market today which would be the one sold by Saleen www.saleen.com If you need additional information
concerning this product please get in touch with Mr B. Tally who is head of Engineering at Saleen. [email protected] I hope you find my
explanation for the silence on our part understandable, we Europeans tend to get a little nervous around the legal complexities in the USA.
As previously said please accept my apologies for any inconvenience and delay in Information.



Best regards
Martin Stenbäck


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Date: 12/19/2005 12:45:32 PM Central Standard Time
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Jennifer

I was forwarded an email from Lysholm on your questions concerning Lysholm Blowers for the 05 mustang. If you have any questions on these or other supercharger issues, please feel free to contact me and I will get your questions answered or put you in touch with the person here at Saleen that can answer it for you

Thanks


Bill Tally
VP Engineering
Saleen
76 Fairbanks
Irvine Ca 92618
949-597-3876 Office
949-597-0301 Fax
619-992-9412 Cell

 

[Ernad]

cliffs?

 

[bigcat]

we have an answer!!!!!!! now just need to see the press release!!

 

[Wsmatau]

Jenn,
We've been working this for a while now, huh? I did note from another website that Lysholm and Whipple have gone seperate ways. Since AutoRotor now owns controlling interest in Lysholm I doubt they will bail Whipple out of a supply jam. But those are the only two Twin-screw manufacturers that I know of. Magnusson is a name I've seen thrown around, but I don't know anything about them. An interesting read is available on the Whipple website about their "New" designs that tout "stronger bearings" and other points that Kenne Bell used to like to use as comparisons between their S/C and Whipple's. I know KB is affiliated with AutoRotor and I'm willing to bet that they have certain marketing rights in North America.
As far as Ford is concerned, I know they pulled the Whipple Twin Screw off the production Shelby, but according to FRPP and Whipple the Super Performance Pack (Whipple S/C) is supposed to be available in Spring '06. Whipple is listing their kits as available 01 Feb 06.
Thanks for the perseverence. Please keep us posted as information comes available.

Frank

 

[Jenns01TA]

Here is the press release.. Whipple is GONE.

Here is the text of the Press Release. Whipple is out and Saleen is in. WOW! Saleen and Lysholm...Oh mang.... this engineering combo is going to make me snicker with delight.

It is sincerely sad the Art Whipple et al couldn't pull it out though. They are quite ahead of the curve when it comes to TS SCing.

Oh well... We will see what Steve and the fellas can do at Saleen. Yes, at least we have at long last received a definitive answer.

Now I need to ask PowerSurge how that 2.3L Saleen/Lysholm SC he has in the 05 is working out.

PRESS RELEASE 15 December 2005 Stockholm Lysholm reorganizes its sales in the US Lysholm Technologies AB, a subsidiary of Opcon AB, has cancelled its aftermarket agreement with Whipple Industries, Inc. The agreement covered distribution of Lysholm screw Superchargers for combustion engines on the US aftermarket.

”The demand for our products on the US aftermarket remains strong and a new sales organization will enable us to meet the increasing demand and further develop the existing potential in the US automotive and Marine aftermarket. We will further develop our distribution channels and our support for these products in the US,” says Martin Stenbäck, CEO of Lysholm.

Please feel free to contact us for additional information, either by e-mail or phone. Our website www.lysholm.se will also be updated continuously. Robert Pettersson [email protected] Phone +46 8 448 44 33 Fax +46 8 715 35 35 Johan Tinde [email protected] Phone +46 8 448 44 48 Fax +46 8 715 35 35 Martin Stenbäck [email protected] Phone +46 8 448 44 45 Fax +46 8 715 35 35 Opcon AB, Box 30, SE-662 21 Åmål, Sweden Phone +46 532 611 00, fax +46 532 120 19 e-mail: [email protected] www.opcon.se Opcon is an industrial Group with activities in Sweden, USA and China. The Group comprises of the parent company, Opcon AB, and eight subsidiaries - SEM, REAC, Svenska Rotor Maskiner (SRM), Lysholm Technologies, Opcon Autorotor, Laminova Production, Opcon Inc. and Opcon Co., Ltd. The company is listed on the Stockholm Stock Exchange.

 

[Wsmatau]

Ummmm.........OK.......so where is Whipple getting thier supply from? Anyone?

 

[Jenns01TA]

Hey Frank,

Great question for Whipple. Anyone want to handle this round of emails?

Jenn

 

[subzero05]

Just remember who gave you the first heads up...hehehehe

I have alot of friendly informative birdie's

 

[Wsmatau]

According to Whipple they are manufacturing the compressor componentry (also advertising as "Made in the USA")...so I'm of the opinion that while Whipple has a good reputation....this is a whole new ballgame. Ford has some faith in them or else thay would just not use thier products at all.

Subzero, if you know something of consequence, please share with us....innuendo and "I told you so's" aren't informative or helpful.

 

[subzero05]

wsmatau~..The I told you so thing is because I was the one who initially said the whipple lysholm deal was out the window back in november when this story broke at SEMA.As well as the ford situation with them.This is what I was referring to.Jenn was trying to get more info as to the validity of this issue and I said all along this is what had taken place and whipple was trying to cover it up for the most part.Those of us in the performance aftermarket have known about this situation for awhile, but the public is generally kept in the dark about this stuff for obvious reasons

 

[Wsmatau]

wsmatau~..The I told you so thing is because I was the one who initially said the whipple lysholm deal was out the window back in november when this story broke at SEMA.As well as the ford situation with them.This is what I was referring to.Jenn was trying to get more info as to the validity of this issue and I said all along this is what had taken place and whipple was trying to cover it up for the most part.Those of us in the performance aftermarket have known about this situation for awhile, but the public is generally kept in the dark about this stuff for obvious reasons

OK, I apologize. I thought that your first statement about the general public being kept in the dark was implying something negative about Whipple as a whole, not just the problems with supply.
We all agree that Ford pulled the plug on Whipple as far as the Shelby is concerned. Are you saying that the info I got from SEMA about the Whipple/FRPP super performance pack is incorrect? I doubt Ford would have gone ahead advertising this kit at SEMA if they intended to sever all ties.
My new concern is that I really don't want to be a guinea pig for Whipple R&D. I have kept a really close eye on this issue on most of the boards in order to try to sift fact from fiction. Dustin Whipple has been giving updates and confirms the numbers posted on Whipple's website. They even dyno test for 100 hours at full throttle for reliability issues. The real reason I like the Whipple is that it has a better intercooler and puts out the numbers I am looking for (400-450 RWHP) without ever crossing the stock redline, so you don't really have to worry about anything other than the rotating assembly. Whipple is still at the top of my list, especially considering Saleen just upped thier prices and I just don''t care for KB. However, if they don't have a product by February I may just abandon ship.

 

[bigcat]

i just went to the saleen website, and there is NO price change......

 

[Wsmatau]

There IS a price change effective January 1. Jim from JDM tuning (an authorized saleen dealer and probably the best tuner for the series VI Saleen) posted the price change on another website.