Who is interested in a turbo kit??

[xoxbxfx]

Ok, after talkin to a lot of people locally and a custom turbo kit builder locally, there might be a chance of producing a kit for classics. Single or twin setups and just like other manufacturers there will be many options including high temp ceramic coatings, carb or efi setups, full kits or just the piping...

He was wondering how much interest there would be. The pricing should be cheaper than a fox body turbo kit. Normal fox prices are about $2500-3000 for the intercooler and piping (hot and cold side) and a full kit witha blow thru carb or injectors and mass airmeter both with fuel pumps and a single turbo would be around $4500 twins about $5500. Now prices should be cheaper than that, how much, I dunno. Just tryin to get an idea of interest whether its worth it to him to start building kits. All welds will be tig welded and purdy

 

[iskwezm]

if this was up 6 months ago,i would have been all over it

 

[mtbdoc]

Sounds interesting. Easier than prototyping it oneself. Question: 351 block or 302 block? A stock 289/302 block is NOT going to handle much boost without blowing up, that's for sure.

Keep us posted w/ more info...

 

[steel1212]

If its around 2k then its in the paxton range and I would be interested.

 

[reyesjo]

turbo,

I might want one also, however I have a 5.0 in mine. I was looking into a Vortech S Trim, but turbo's would be better.

 

[reyesjo]

P.S. I only live about 10 miles from South Lake.

 

[Stang_1973]

Sounds like a pretty good idea. If you can pop it onto stock or modified setups. Paxton says you can drop their SC onto a stock 66 302 and get between 30% and 50% more power. So if he can match it I say when can i get one. Turbo will give you power without affecting MPG as much as an SC.

 

[mustangman70]

If ya finance im all over it

 

[12sec67]

Sounds interesting. Easier than prototyping it oneself. Question: 351 block or 302 block? A stock 289/302 block is NOT going to handle much boost without blowing up, that's for sure.

Keep us posted w/ more info...

there are people with stock 5.0 blocks running in the 6's in the 1/8 mile... turbo's are easier on engines then superchargers along with being more efficient.

 

[jmenke]

I'm interested in either a single or twin for 5.0 EFI with intercooler for a 1966 Mustang. The kit must be able to clear the stock style '87-93 Mustang A/C and P/S pumps and the stock 1966 Mustang shock towers though.

I started down the path for a KB charger, but ran into concerns that there is no intercooler available.

 

[xoxbxfx]

well, all kits will be intercooled, there is no choice on taht. It really insures stability, reliability and is something that should not be passed up. The setups will be available efi or blow thru carb. Luckily I have all the years mustangs (65-66, 67-68, and 69-70) around for mockups. All the motors will be for 302 based motors with a possibility of 351 (the extra inch deck height really makes a difference due to all the angles. A/C is the only option I think would be a worry.

There is no way a full setup could even come close to $2000 for the fact a blow thru carb new is like $600. The piping kit with intercooler could run about $2000. Just for a price idea, turbos are $300 each (for a small t3/t4) $500 for an intercooler, $200 for headers, carb is $600 or injectors and MAF for $600. Add in about $200 worth of mandrel bent piping. Add in about 100hours of development for the piping to work. I could see a pretty complete kit (minus fuel setup IE carb or inj and no pumps/fuel lines) going for $3000. Parts alone are about $2200. All setups will be powdercoated high temp black for the hotside and chrome powdercoat for the cold side. Im guessing a COMPLETE kit with everything you would need would cost about $5000. That would include:

Blow through carb (and bonnet) or injectors/maf
Fuel pump
steel braided lines and AN fittings
Fuel pressure regulator
(possibly fuel cell)
Powdercoated high temp black hot side piping
Powdercoated chrome cold side piping
intercooler
blow off valve
bypass
twin t3/t4 turbos (new and powdercoated)
oil lines
exhaust manifold gaskets and bolts
all Vband clamp (no crappy stuff)
all TIG welded
every nut and bolt you would need

Kits will be offered in a basic stage with upgrades. The piping with intercooler is going to be the base model. Adding turbos, pumps, carbs/injectors and maf...stuff like that will be optional. If successful, we will try and get discount rates for our purchasing and the rates will go straight to you guys, no mark up on parts. The money we make will be stricly off piping and design/welding.

now for you guys's real worries...will your motor take it? thats a big question. Witha conservative tune, a stock motor should hold up to about 400rwhp. These kits are going to be designed for 8-9psi MAX. Anyone who is thinking of a supercharger has the same worries but they have one more. The crank snout (on non forged cranks) are sorta weak. Turbos are far superior than superchargers due to teh fact it uses exhaust gas to create boost (not crank driven) longevity, durability, and gas milage. I have seen a couple crank snouts snap off at the snout. These kits are going to be designed around stock style belt setups. If needed (depending on how much room) relocation brackets for alternator or power steering will be included. Cars with A/C probably wont be able to fit a twin setup due to how small the engine bay is. You can expect to move the battery to the trunk (all the space will be needed). The first test dummy for a car is going to be a 68 Fastback with a 302 carb based motor. EFI wont be much different, just different piping from the intercooler to the intake. Single turbo kits will cost a bit less considering with a single you need a larger turbo (so instead for two $300 turbos, the single larger is closer to $700) but piping is less, you should be able to retain a/c, intercooler is cheaper. The actual kit will be a bit less but not a huge amount. I would like to offer kits because sometimes people have things laying around or would rather have a differnt fuel pump or regulator.

 

[stanger53]

Why not consider a "basic" kit that was similar to the Turbonics/Accel kit that was available for the 1965-1970 289/302 Mustang back in the mid 70's? It wasn't "high tech" by any means, but was simple, effective for low to medium boost levels and cheap.

It had piping that hooked up to stock exhaust manifolds, single turbo, two aluminum castings, a variable inlet-restrictor in place of an expensive waste gate, a "priority-valve" system that eliminated turbo boost lag, and a draw-through system that mounted the carb only about four inches from its original spot. The stock output was 8 lbs, but you could order a turbo for higher boost if you wanted. No headers, electronics or intercooler. A simple system like this would be fairly cheap and many options could be added to it for more sophistication and higher boost pressures. It sold jobber for about $650 back then, and while I know that is a lot more in todays money, it shouldn't be too expensive and in the price range of more people.

I can provide more information about it if you are interested.

 

[xoxbxfx]

Why not consider a "basic" kit that was similar to the Turbonics/Accel kit that was available for the 1965-1970 289/302 Mustang back in the mid 70's? It wasn't "high tech" by any means, but was simple, effective for low to medium boost levels and cheap.

It had piping that hooked up to stock exhaust manifolds, single turbo, two aluminum castings, a variable inlet-restrictor in place of an expensive waste gate, a "priority-valve" system that eliminated turbo boost lag, and a draw-through system that mounted the carb only about four inches from its original spot. The stock output was 8 lbs, but you could order a turbo for higher boost if you wanted. No headers, electronics or intercooler. A simple system like this would be fairly cheap and many options could be added to it for more sophistication and higher boost pressures. It sold jobber for about $650 back then, and while I know that is a lot more in todays money, it shouldn't be too expensive and in the price range of more people.

I can provide more information about it if you are interested.

its to basic. Stock manifolds are a big reduction in exhaust gas flow. The headers are only $200 more than using stock headers. Heck, most people arent even running stock headers anymore. Its just to hard to know what people are running what exhaust and much more time and money effient to make a base kit that bolts up. Other than an intercooler, its not much more basic than waht you are talkin about

 

[180 Out]

"Draw through" and "turbo" are two things I don't like to see in the same sentence. A backfire would be interesting to see.

Anyway, if we're taking a straw pull, put me down as a "yes" for an intercooled blow through carb kit for $4500-$5500. Just the thing to go with one a them all-forged 375 ci World Products 8.2" shortblocks ($4500 at Summit).

 

[xoxbxfx]

"Draw through" and "turbo" are two things I don't like to see in the same sentence. A backfire would be interesting to see.

Anyway, if we're taking a straw pull, put me down as a "yes" for an intercooled blow through carb kit for $4500-$5500. Just the thing to go with one a them all-forged 375 ci World Products 8.2" shortblocks ($4500 at Summit).

What year car do you have?

 

[180 Out]

What year car do you have?

'65

 

[xoxbxfx]

'65

yikes...are you doing a 351 bored to 357 (.060 over) or was it a misprint and supposed to be 347?

Tim

 

[180 Out]

yikes...are you doing a 351 bored to 357 (.060 over) or was it a misprint and supposed to be 347?

All these World and Dart blocks are available in a 4.125 standard bore. They can even go .060 over and retain a .250 wall, compared to the .040-over limit of safety for a 5.0. (World actually claims its blocks are good to .075 over.)

I don't know about the Dart 8.2" block, but World has an 8.2" variant that moves the oil pump out of the way, to the 351W position. This allows it to handle a 3.500 stroke. A V8 engine with bore x stroke of 4.125 x 3.500 comes to 374.2 ci. For whatever reason World rounds it up to 375 ci, rather than 374. Maybe to avoid confusion with the 347 (4.030 x 3.400).

As long as you're going to spend approx $2000 for an aftermarket block anyway, to stand up to boost, why not get the extra 27 cubes? It almost brings you even to all those 383 Shivvys out there.

 

[xoxbxfx]

All these World and Dart blocks are available in a 4.125 standard bore. They can even go .060 over and retain a .250 wall, compared to the .040-over limit of safety for a 5.0. (World actually claims its blocks are good to .075 over.)

I don't know about the Dart 8.2" block, but World has an 8.2" variant that moves the oil pump out of the way, to the 351W position. This allows it to handle a 3.500 stroke. A V8 engine with bore x stroke of 4.125 x 3.500 comes to 374.2 ci. For whatever reason World rounds it up to 375 ci, rather than 374. Maybe to avoid confusion with the 347 (4.030 x 3.400).

As long as you're going to spend approx $2000 for an aftermarket block anyway, to stand up to boost, why not get the extra 27 cubes? It almost brings you even to all those 383 Shivvys out there.

hell yeah, i totally agree with you.

 

[LUCAFU1]

Hell yeah!
I was gonna do a JY kit. I will be using a EFI 5.0 and I am very interested in a single intercooled kit. 76mm or 80mm would do me just fine.