Why am I running lean?

92greenlx

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My car began surging, bucking, hesitating, and feeling as if I had a misfire all at once. So, I installed new plugs, cap/rotor, and wires. I cleaned and re-installed my K&N. That did nothing to help. To make things worse, my check engine light comes on once the car is at normal operating temp and the same symptoms get worse. So the only codes I got were for the idle air control valve which had now been changed and the O2 sensors. It is showing my car to be running lean. I dont understand why this is? You would think with my combo donw below, that I would more than likely run rich with 24 pounders right? I have had this same combo for years and have never experienced any problems until now. When I unplug my mass air meter, nothing happens. So I purchased a new C&L 73mm and I still need to install it. It would be great if this fixes all of my problems but I am willing to bet that it will only do a partial job. Anyone have any ides or prior experience with anything like this? I need some help!:(
 
Disconnect the battery over night to erase the KAM completly. (Keep Alive Memory) Reconnect the battery and go for a spin and see if its cured. You could also have the typical bad calibrated maf. Its not always as simple as putting in a "calibrated" maf and bigger injectors and being ok.
 
I am hoping that my mass air meter is the problem. Even if the O2 sensors could possibly be part of the problem, I would suspect that the most would be my check engine light. Do you really think that they would cause surging and bucking? Possibly a lean condition?:shrug:
 
A bad mass air meter will cause some HORRIBLE bucking from being too lean. We had that hapen on my friends car with his 77mm pro m. He sent it back to them and they fixed it for free.
 
OK,

I installed the new mass air meter and it works fine. The car is running alot better than before. But.....the driver side O2 sensor is still showing a lean condition only on that side. I dont understand, I would think that with my basic almost stock combo I would run more rich than lean. Anyways, I ordered an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. I hope that this helps some more. If that doesnt help, I will then order a new fuel pump, maybe a 190lph.

What do any of you think?:shrug:
 
An adjustable FPR isn't gonna do shiit. How do you know the drivers side is showing a lean condition? You can'r judge much by the stock narrow band o2's anyway. I have a PMS and the hand held screen shows me what the o2's are seeing. Whether they're showing rich or lean, my a/f is still fine (I have a wideband). Cancel the order on the fpr ;)
 
Back to basics....

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great.

See http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/
OR
See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html

IF your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see http://www.actron.com/product_detail.php?pid=16153 for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Walmart.

Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/detailedproductdescription.asp?3829 – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $35.

Code 41 or 91 - O2 indicates system lean. Look for a vacuum leak or failing O2 sensor.
The computer sees a lean mixture signal coming from the O2 sensors and tries to compensate by adding more fuel.

The following is a Quote from Charles O. Probst, Ford fuel Injection & Electronic Engine control:
"When the mixture is lean, the exhaust gas has oxygen, about the same amount as the ambient air. So the sensor will generate less than 400 Millivolts. Remember lean = less voltage.

When the mixture is rich, there's less oxygen in the exhaust than in the ambient air , so voltage is generated between the two sides of the tip. The voltage is greater than 600 millivolts. Remember rich = more voltage.

Here's a tip: the newer the sensor, the more the voltage changes, swinging from as low as 0.1 volt to as much as 0.9 volt. As an oxygen sensor ages, the voltage changes get smaller and slower - the voltage change lags behind the change in exhaust gas oxygen.

Because the oxygen sensor generates its own voltage, never apply voltage and never measure resistance of the sensor circuit. To measure voltage signals, use an analog voltmeter with a high input impedance, at least 10 megohms. Remember, a digital voltmeter will average a changing voltage." End Quote

Measuring the O2 sensor voltage at the computer will give you a good idea of how well they are working. You'll have to pull the passenger side kick panel off to gain access to the computer connector. Remove the plastic wiring cover to get to the back side of the wiring. Use a safety pin or paper clip to probe the connections from the rear. The computer pins are 29 (LH O2 with a dark green/pink wire) and 43 (RH O2 with a dark blue/pink wire). Use the ground next to the computer to ground the voltmeter.

Most of the common multimeters have a resistance scale. Be sure the O2 sensors are disconnected and measure the resistance from the O2 sensor body harness to the pins on the computer.

Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter. Do not attempt to measure the resistance of the O2 sensors, it may damage them

The O2 sensor ground (orange wire with a ring terminal on it) is in the wiring harness for the fuel injection wiring. I grounded mine to one of the intake manifold bolts

When one side sets a code & the other doesn't, you either have a vacuum leak or a wiring problem.