I always thought driving a 426 HP 4000 LB car with understeer would be exciting, I mean it sounds exciting
And you're entitled to yours.
You'll get over it.
Oh, by all means, I'm sure it's very exciting. I'm sure there's nothing else in the world quite like steering into a corner and finding yourself going straight! No worries, I'm sure that kind old fellow sitting on his porch didn't mind you careening through his fence and into his yard!I'm sure the only thing he'll have to say is, "Damn shame about that 2010 Camaro."
Same to you
A group of pinheads made horrible decisions at GM and caused a complete mess, and your solution is to see a company that help mold america go under.....losing hundreds of thousands of jobs globaly within GM itself and those who depend on GM with parts and such....just so you can feel better about yourself and your portfolio......
Have a little faith in the ppl of GM instead of the Corporate yahoos of GM... Like it or not GM is America....I didnt want the Bailout either, and they shouldnt have gotten it, file bankruptcy and start over...... NO way would I ever want them to go under though.
Maybe soooo..... But im sure he'll mumble under his breath...
" Sure did leave that mustang behind....Pony better be glad theirs corners so he can catch up"
HA...understeer.....seriously? What an argument lol
Maybe soooo..... But im sure he'll mumble under his breath...
" Sure did leave that mustang behind....Pony better be glad theirs corners so he can catch up"
HA...understeer.....seriously? What an argument lol
I think everybody here's pretty much done choking on your GM fanboyism. GM sucks, and they're a thing of the past. GM didn't shape squat. Brush up on your American history. I question whether you're adept enough to do your American History homework, so allow me to help you.
The Industrial Revolution was the backbone of the United States. This country was built upon developing inventions of transportation, harnessing electricity, and honing industrial processes for making jobs such as farming easier.
Confused yet? Let me help you out.
Thomas Edison invented the phonograph, the incandescent light bulb, and the motion picture.
Samuel Morse invented the telegraph and Morse code. Morse code is still used today.
Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone which took the place of the telegraph. Until then, the telegraph was the only means people had of communicating by long distance.
Cyrus McCormick invented the mechanical reaper which made grain harvesting efficient and faster for farmers.
Charles Goodyear invented vulcanized rubber. This made it possible for rubber to stand up in bad weather. Rubber was used in many aspects of manufacturing.
Nikola Tesla invented fluorescent lighting, the AC electrical power system, and the radio. The Tesla Coil is still used today in radios and televisions.
George Westinghouse invented the electrical transformer. Oddly enough, the electrical transformer was adapted to being used as brakes on trains.
Dr. Richard Gatling invented the infamous "Gatling Gun," which was one of our most effective weapons used during the Spanish/American war. I think it's also safe to credit Dr. Gatling with developing such an effective weapon that variations of it are still used today in modern warfare!
Benjamin Franklin discovered electricity.
Ya know, it's funny that General Motors is NOWHERE on that list. GM had NOTHING to do with the shaping of this country. Give credit where credit is due. This country earned its freedom in 1776. GM was not even a thought in 1776.
Now that you've been given your history lesson for the day, how'bout if you give us one. SINCE THE MUSTANG SUCKS SO BADLY AND IT'S SO SLOW, WHY ARE YOU HERE? I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you probably did like Mustangs and people were just busting your balls about you being a troll, but the more posts I read of yours, the more I'm discovering that they really are right.
I'd like to take this time to address everyone participating in the 2010 Mustang Forums to apologize for defending this guy.
Well now that we can agree to disagree with certain members, and we have our history lesson for the day (I'm poking fun at you TopSpeed)
Anything for the original topic of conversation? Ford is catching up in the states quickly and is beating GM oversees, if anyone read the article referenced in the forum. And if you notice how they break up the math, so far for the year GM is only about 192k vehicles ahead of Ford, and 172k of those are vehicles that have been axed from their lineup. Looks like GM has a lot of work to do.
Unlike 10 years ago when GM's sales were falling, so were Ford's. It's a whole different ballgame now, Ford has better than or equal to quality of that of Toyota and Honda (can GM say that), GM's marketshare is shrinking while Ford's is growing. Seeing as how Ford was one of the big beneficiaries of the cash for clunkers program, I'd have to say that the general public is more comfortable sticking with a company that has more fuel efficient vehicles and that isn't bankrupt.
This whole "Mustang vs Camaro" arguement is getting old. In a 40k sports car (yea, I know that's not sticker but that's what a lot of people are paying for the new Camaro) understeer like that, plus being outperformed in the turns by a car that has an archaic live axle in the back while the Camaro has an "up to date" IRS, I'd have to say that speaks loudly of GM and their commitment to performance. Looks like the only thing they were aiming for was straight line performance to make the fanboys happy.
Oh, and since the Camaro is apparently so superior to the Mustang, here's some lifetime sales numbers:
Mustang - 8,301,046 (Thru 2009)
Camaro -4,686,163 (Thru 2002)
These numbers do not include any 2010 sales figures, so, taken into consideration, over the course of history, it seems Ford is doing a much better job building, promoting, and selling the Mustang. Sure the Camaro is outselling now, but that's because it's been out of the game for 7 years, and all the GM guys want a Camaro (why not just by a Corvette?) Obviously Ford is doing something right and GM is not. Otherwise we would have seen a model year 2003-2008 Camaro, right?
Add this to your list of inventors:
Thomas Newcomen: developed the first safe and successful steam power plant.
Ford doesn't even need to promote the Mustang. The Mustang sells itself.
I know, I used the word "promoting" because I was off in another world when I wrote that reply. I mean hell, the poor Mustang got beat up by the Camaro in the first Transformers movie lol. And then they all get crashed in the Fast and the Furious. Why didn't we get 2 blockbuster movies for our car?
I think everyone is just jealous
I think everybody here's pretty much done choking on your GM fanboyism. GM sucks, and they're a thing of the past. GM didn't shape squat. Brush up on your American history. I question whether you're adept enough to do your American History homework, so allow me to help you.
The Industrial Revolution was the backbone of the United States. This country was built upon developing inventions of transportation, harnessing electricity, and honing industrial processes for making jobs such as farming easier.
Confused yet? Let me help you out.
Thomas Edison invented the phonograph, the incandescent light bulb, and the motion picture.
Samuel Morse invented the telegraph and Morse code. Morse code is still used today.
Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone which took the place of the telegraph. Until then, the telegraph was the only means people had of communicating by long distance.
Cyrus McCormick invented the mechanical reaper which made grain harvesting efficient and faster for farmers.
Charles Goodyear invented vulcanized rubber. This made it possible for rubber to stand up in bad weather. Rubber was used in many aspects of manufacturing.
Nikola Tesla invented fluorescent lighting, the AC electrical power system, and the radio. The Tesla Coil is still used today in radios and televisions.
George Westinghouse invented the electrical transformer. Oddly enough, the electrical transformer was adapted to being used as brakes on trains.
Dr. Richard Gatling invented the infamous "Gatling Gun," which was one of our most effective weapons used during the Spanish/American war. I think it's also safe to credit Dr. Gatling with developing such an effective weapon that variations of it are still used today in modern warfare!
Benjamin Franklin discovered electricity.
Ya know, it's funny that General Motors is NOWHERE on that list. GM had NOTHING to do with the shaping of this country. Give credit where credit is due. This country earned its freedom in 1776. GM was not even a thought in 1776.
Now that you've been given your history lesson for the day, how'bout if you give us one. SINCE THE MUSTANG SUCKS SO BADLY AND IT'S SO SLOW, WHY ARE YOU HERE? I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you probably did like Mustangs and people were just busting your balls about you being a troll, but the more posts I read of yours, the more I'm discovering that they really are right.
I'd like to take this time to address everyone participating in the 2010 Mustang Forums to apologize for defending this guy.
Why so angry....your obvisouly upset about what....me posting Camaro stuff, or defending GM. I believe its you who goes to extremes to cause a roose just to prove your point.
Also...Comeon.....along with those lame camaro videos comes my lame mustang videos.......so we get it..you dont like Camaros, how about you get over it !!
I believe I said GM helped MOLD America to what it is........If you dont think that GM had a big hand in America, meaning the Spirit of the American worker to help build vehicles to defend this nation, or an Independent Company who by NO means had to hire thousands of unemployed citizens to help move us past the great depression. You do know that if GM wasnt there, we could of lost the war right, there was no government entity that was established to manufacture the high demand of materials and vehicles needed to support the war effort.
Fine you dont like GM, thats cool..... just dont short change them for past efforts.
Look up any 35th LE SS and youll see my Camaro.....I mean really, do you have any Camaro videos of your car? ....
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