X Vs H Pipe

Ts1lightning63 · Jul 22, 2017

From what I have read is that the 2004 GT has no low end torque and the H pipe would be better than the X pipe for that reason. Should I be concerned if I pick H over X? When I am done building this car it will only be street driven with a slightly build.

imp · Jul 22, 2017

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In my mind, it would be more a decision based on room available.... imp

robertsa · Jul 22, 2017

It's a decision based on personal preference. It's going to change the sound and that's about it. Get whichever you prefer the sound of. You aren't going to feel any difference in the go pedal between the x and h pipe.

Neuron · Jul 22, 2017

Plenty of torque when you put the proper gears in the rear.

a91what · Jul 22, 2017

Engine masters just did a video on this. The x won out by 1hp across the powerband.

Decision is best made from which sound you like best.

RyanBell · Jul 23, 2017

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCio5K0WfHU&index=1&list=PLGvTvFzdMg_O2T3UdUEt5dIHutSOu7srE

Ts1lightning63 · Jul 23, 2017

Neuron said:
Plenty of torque when you put the proper gears in the rear.

What gears to you suggest for an automatic?

Ts1lightning63 · Jul 23, 2017

robertsa said:
It's a decision based on personal preference. It's going to change the sound and that's about it. Get whichever you prefer the sound of. You aren't going to feel any difference in the go pedal between the x and h pipe.

It is kind of hard to make a decision based on sound clips when it is based on sound.

robertsa · Jul 23, 2017

Ts1lightning63 said:
It is kind of hard to make a decision based on sound clips when it is based on sound.

I don't know what your sentence means.

As for having no low end torque, it's a sports car, not a diesel tow rig. These cars are now 13+ years old; expect it's going to need some freshening up and some power adders to catch up.

blackgt460 · Jul 23, 2017

cat back will sound the same but the x will have more a a raspy perhaps higher pitch where the h has more of the deeper old school rumble

Ts1lightning63 · Jul 24, 2017

robertsa said:
I don't know what your sentence means.

As for having no low end torque, it's a sports car, not a diesel tow rig. These cars are now 13+ years old; expect it's going to need some freshening up and some power adders to catch up.

I added a cold air intake, mufflers and a tune. I plan on adding gears, throttle body, high flow cats with x pipe,stage 1 cam, shorty headers and a new tune. Are there any other low cost upgrades you can suggest? What order would you install these since they will be done over time while the car is driven? The car does not need freshened up since it only has 3k miles on it. Any advice would be appreciated.

robertsa · Jul 24, 2017

Ts1lightning63 said:
I added a cold air intake, mufflers and a tune. I plan on adding gears, throttle body, high flow cats with x pipe,stage 1 cam, shorty headers and a new tune. Are there any other low cost upgrades you can suggest? What order would you install these since they will be done over time while the car is driven? The car does not need freshened up since it only has 3k miles on it. Any advice would be appreciated.

My equation on these cars always starts with forced induction, turbos if you can afford it and supercharger if you want a lower cost alternative. I don't bother with all the little mods because they don't have the bang for the buck with the 4.6. A factory 5.0 can make tons of power over stock with aftermarket heads, cam, intake and exhaust because they were so corked up from the factory. The 4.6 wasn't that bad. My 5.0 Coyote doesn't even respond to CAI and exhaust mods because the factory stuff flows so well. All the "cheap" mods aren't cheap when you add up all the money you spend. I'm a big proponent of saving your money to get something that'll make a real difference while maintaining streetability, reliability, and fuel economy; forced induction does all of those things.

Ts1lightning63 · Jul 24, 2017

robertsa said:
My equation on these cars always starts with forced induction, turbos if you can afford it and supercharger if you want a lower cost alternative. I don't bother with all the little mods because they don't have the bang for the buck with the 4.6. A factory 5.0 can make tons of power over stock with aftermarket heads, cam, intake and exhaust because they were so corked up from the factory. The 4.6 wasn't that bad. My 5.0 Coyote doesn't even respond to CAI and exhaust mods because the factory stuff flows so well. All the "cheap" mods aren't cheap when you add up all the money you spend. I'm a big proponent of saving your money to get something that'll make a real difference while maintaining streetability, reliability, and fuel economy; forced induction does all of those things.

Thanks for the input, but I really didn't want to spend $5000 all st one time.

robertsa · Jul 24, 2017

Ts1lightning63 said:
Thanks for the input, but I really didn't want to spend $5000 all st one time.

That's fine. I deal with several budgets, my own and at work. The "I don't want to spend $XY all at once" but are willing to spend $XY over the course of a year or two thing doesn't make much sense to me. I prefer to save longer to get the better option.

To each their own though. Good luck with your build and keep us informed.

blackgt460 · Jul 25, 2017

Ts1lightning63 said:
I added a cold air intake, mufflers and a tune. I plan on adding gears, throttle body, high flow cats with x pipe,stage 1 cam, shorty headers and a new tune. Are there any other low cost upgrades you can suggest? What order would you install these since they will be done over time while the car is driven? The car does not need freshened up since it only has 3k miles on it. Any advice would be appreciated.

For me a new edge 4.6 has plenty worth it low budget mods that the car will respond to and many of the little mods stay even with forced induction down the road. Adding to your above mods I'd suggest underdrive pullies and an aluminum driveshaft. $500 for both brand new and a simple install especially the driveshaft as some don't have tools for the UDPs. The new driveshaft will also help clean up a lot of that 13 year old drive line clunk. From there some suspension work in the form of at least upper and lower control arms and you should have a decent bolt on car that gets to power to the ground properly. If you're doing the work to add headers and mid pipe I'd consider long tubes.

BeastsNMonsters · Jul 25, 2017

For the mod motors, and most V8's 3.73 gears are a good choice for a balance between low and high end performance. Numerically higher are preferred for drag applications, and numerically lower for road courses with large straights. As to the H/X problem, the H is going to be easier to install and will have a sound characteristic more in line with the heritage of the car. As the new edge Stangs are still solid axle cars for the most part, I vote H pipe. Once you get into independent rear suspensions, you leave the muscle category and head into the true sports category.

SVT94GT · Jul 26, 2017

I have SLP Long tubes, BBK Off road h pipe and SLP catback with resonators, but I'm gonna put some flowmaster 44 mufflers on to quite it down a bit. It'll still be loud though, those long tubes are nasty and make the car sound amazing. H pipe gives you the classic mustang sound, x pipe will give yoh a raspy angry sound. My setup sound unique all on it's on because it's super loud and it sounds really damn good because of the h pipe

Neuron · Jul 26, 2017

Ts1lightning63 said:
What gears to you suggest for an automatic?

3.73's and add a transmission cooler to be on the safe side.

BeastsNMonsters · Jul 27, 2017

Neuron said:
3.73's and add a transmission cooler to be on the safe side.

I agree with the transmission cooler

Boostedpimp · Jul 27, 2017

I've had both and prefer the x

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