Need to Bench Bleed MC after Adjust Prop Valve Install?

Bullitt

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Is there any need to Bench Bleed a MC after installing an Adjustable Prop valve?

On our '85 GT (all stock brake parts) we gutted the front of the MC, replaced with the Ford plug, installed the adjustable valve and now we can't get the brakes to bleed right.

It may be a combination of issues. We had to replace the pressure switch in the factory prop valve with a solid plug because it was leaking. We've got "some" pedal when the car is off, but when it's on the pedal goes right to the floor. At this time we're getting a loud hiss from the booster which I know may indicate it's bad, but the pedal should get harder if it's bad...

All brake parts are new with the exception of the lines, MC, and booster. Brakes worked fine prior to the adjustable valve install except it had excessive rear lockup (car is completely gutted, so no weight on the back).

Very confused! Any help would be appreciated!
 
we gutted the front of the MC, replaced with the Ford plug, installed the adjustable valve and now we can't get the brakes to bleed right.

What? You bench bleed any MC before you install it on the car. I think you mean the porp valve. You need to make sure the adjustable valve is open all the way to bleed the rears. Start at the right rear, left rear, right front and left front. Always check the fluid while doing this.

Then adjust the vavle to the 1/2 way mark. If you are going to rear disks what MC are you using? Does it have enough pressure to work the rears?
 
No, I meant the MC. It is still the original part and hasn't been replaced.

What I'm concerned about is when the factory proportioning valve is open air getting in it, then air getting up into the MC. One of the lines was almost impossible to get off the prop valve so we pulled it off the MC... probably the root of the issue enough though it wasn't open long / didn't drain much fluid at all.

But to answer your question, yes we are getting fluid out the rear brakes and the adjustable valve is all the way open (full pressure).
 
If this is on a 1st Gen Stang then I am out of my league however on a FOX you replace the MC with one that has enough volume and pressure to work the rear disks. On the setups I have seen for most 1st Gen stang they come with a MC. Other than that I can not help.
 
Garden Sprayer Pressure Bake Bleeder

1 each pump type garden sprayer, 1 - 1 ½ gallon capacity (size doesn’t matter much, it just has to be cheap and small enough to be easy to work with)
6-10 feet 3/8” clear plastic tubing
1 each ¼” brass pipe tee
1 each ¼” pipe to 3/8: hose adapter
1 each pressure gauge 0-60 PSI or so – all you’ll ever need is 5- 10 PSI, so the gauge range doesn’t have to be high.
1 each large rubber stopper – this is the hard part to find. It may take some searching to find one that is a snug push fit to the inside of the filler port on the master cylinder. You can use silicone rubber to seal a brass fitting to an old master cylinder cap, but they tend to leak too much.
Home Depot or Lowes has some ¼” brass pipe stock that is continuously threaded in the electric lamp repair department, along with the brass nuts that go with it. This is better than a pipe nipple, since the nuts can be used to secure the pipe in the cap or stopper.
OR if you can’t find the threaded pipe stock,
1 each ¼” nipple, 1 ½”- 2” long

The rubber stopper needs a hole drilled in it for the ¼” pipe nipple or threaded pipe stock. After you drill the hole, use some silicone gasket sealer to seal the pipe nipple as you push it into the rubber stopper. If you used the threaded pipe stock, use the nuts to secure the stock into the stopper.

If you can’t find a suitable rubber stopper, an old master cylinder cap can be used. Drill a ½” hole in the center for the pipe fitting. Cut the brass pipe stock to about 1”- 1 ½” long, the exact length isn’t too important. Push it through the hole in the master cylinder cap and thread one nut on top of the pipe stock where it sticks though the cap. Put another nut on the other side of the cap to lock the pipe stock in place. Apply some silicone rubber gasket sealer to both sides and when it is dry, screw the ¼” pipe that sticks out of the top of the cap into the tee.

Remove the sprayer hose and wand from the garden sprayer. You may find it easier just to cut the sprayer hose off short and connect it to the 3/8” plastic tubing. The idea is that the 3/8” tubing connects to the pickup tube inside the sprayer in a reliable, leak proof fashion. Another alternative is to remove the spray nozzle from the end of the spray wand and connect the 3/8” tubing to the wand. This leaves the hand valve in place and may be useful to start/stop the flow of brake fluid.

The 3/8” plastic tubing connects to the pipe tee using a push on hose barb type adapter. The pipe tee has one port for the gauge, one for the 3/8” hose and the other to connect to the rubber stopper or master cylinder cap that you modified.

Fill the pump sprayer with a quart of brake fluid. Set the garden sprayer on the ground and screw the pump handle down tight, and pump until brake fluid fills the plastic tubing. Then put the modified stopper or master cylinder cap on the master cylinder and pump slowly to make sure that nothing leaks or pops loose. No leaks, continue pumping until you get 5-10 PSI. Put a 6”-12” length of clear plastic tubing on the bleeder ports. Then open the bleeder ports on the wheel cylinders one at a time and bleed until the bubbles are gone. I use a 2 liter soda bottle with a coat hanger to catch the fluid . DO NOT REUSE THE OLD BRAKE FLUID. Repeat the process until you have finished all 4 wheels. You will have to pump the sprayer several times to maintain the 5-10 PSI needed to do the job. When finished bleeding, loosen the pump handle to relieve the pressure, remove the stopper/modified master cylinder cap and test the pedal.


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