Build Thread Enola- Finishing touches

[a91what]

The 302 and 351 both use the same balancer. I dont know if the block makes a difference, I am using a stock 351w block.
The rotating assembly is neutral balanced or internally balanced, so the balancer is just a damper and has no imbalance.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

The 302 and 351 both use the same balancer. I dont know if the block makes a difference, I am using a stock 351w block.
The rotating assembly is neutral balanced or internally balanced, so the balancer is just a damper and has no imbalance.

Man......the quality of the crack must be freakin phenomenal where you live....

What kind of crazy man spends 515 dollars on a harmonic balancer?

 

[Chuckman]

The 302 and 351 both use the same balancer. I dont know if the block makes a difference, I am using a stock 351w block.
The rotating assembly is neutral balanced or internally balanced, so the balancer is just a damper and has no imbalance.

302 and 351 do NOT use the same balancer. late-model 302's are 50oz, 351's are 28oz.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

302 and 351 do NOT use the same balancer. late-model 302's are 50oz, 351's are 28oz.

Not when it's for an internally balance recip assembly...it just doesn't matter.

 

[RaggedGT]

I always thought Pioneer balancers where the gold standard

 

[a91what]

Man......the quality of the crack must be freakin phenomenal where you live....

What kind of crazy man spends 515 dollars on a harmonic balancer?

Well it serves 2 purposes, it will function as both the balancer and the trigger wheel.

 

[a91what]

302 and 351 do NOT use the same balancer. late-model 302's are 50oz, 351's are 28oz.

I know, but I have a neutral balanced assembly... it has no imbalance.

 

[General karthief]

its a humble beginning but i will at least have a concrete slab to work on things now. 18'x42'x5" It will have a steel building over it with open sides going to enclose part of it on 3 sides.

you should be running a sprinkler on that slab for about 3 days. Evens out the cure time and makes it stronger.

 

[a91what]

Mother nature is doing that for me.

 

[Anti_Hero0932]

302 and 351 do NOT use the same balancer. late-model 302's are 50oz, 351's are 28oz.

So a stock rotating assembly in a foxbody would require a 50oz balancer?

whats the benefit from an after market balancer? 50oz is 50oz ?

 

[RangerJoe]

Not when it's for an internally balance recip assembly...it just doesn't matter.

I have never heard this. My flywheel has interchangeable weights and specified to leave them off if neutral balance. Maybe that's the difference? I alway put internally balanced and neutral (0) in the same boat.
Almost certain my pioneer balancer has interchangeable weights too, not 100% on that.

So in theory, are you saying a 28oz internally balanced crank could have a 50oz or a neutral balance balancer/dampener on it?

Joe

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

It wouldn't run very long if it did.

 

[RangerJoe]

It wouldn't run very long if it did.

Well now you have me confused. Maybe I misread your original post. I believe I did, carry on.

 

[Chuckman]

I know, but I have a neutral balanced assembly... it has no imbalance.

Somehow i missed the second sentence....carry on...

 

[droopie85gt]

Actually it will run ok if you put the wrong flywheel/balancer on, it will shake your teeth out of your head and bounce you out of your seat before you could do real damage! Ask me how I know.

 

[a91what]

Lots of parts are going to be showing up soon, slowly getting everything needed for the assembly together. Buying lots of quality parts this time so hopefully this should go well..

Also the Mustang has a new home, although a humble one.

 

[a91what]

So game plan time...

Engine:
non roller 351w block
-1-94256BI rotating assembly from Scat,
-PMX-9175 180cc ProMaxx cylinder heads [machine shop is going over them thoroughly]
-Custom bumpstick from Brian Freezy [596lift 224i / 236e @ .050 114*LSA] blower cam
-ARP head and Main studs
-HRS 91168 roller lifters from Howards
- Melling M83HV oil pump high volume standard pressure
-TFS 19006 harmonic balancer - removable counterweight for IB assembly
-64bit tuning CAM and CRANK sensors
- 7QT Wieand oil pan [same as canton] with pickup tube
-assorted ARP parts ie.. hardened oil drive, damper bolt ect....
Things that still have to be ordered.... pushrods, intake spacers.... and im sure i am missing something

Transmission plans:
-4R70W from a 00-04 3.8L mustang these come with the extra friction disks and upgraded drums...
-AOD tail housing so i can use my driveshaft
-Some kind of 4R shifter TBD
This is going to be electronically controlled with a MegaSquirt TCU unit i have already built, paddle shifters ect will happen.

Rear end:
-Ford Racing 31 spline traclok
-3.08 gears
-31spline axles with C clip eliminators Strange
-6 way adjustable shocks strange
Plan on doing the torque box reinforcements


I may also do an ECU upgrade to MS3 if the budget will allow for it.

suggestions comments or concerns???

 

[stanglx2002]

Two things:

1. MS3 needs to added to the top of the list to be done
2. What is the plan for the topend of the engine?

 

[a91what]

1. we shall see, if i can find someone who wants a highly modified MS2PNP i can use that to offset the cost.

2. Not sure yet, that is TBD..... the blower will fit and will likely be right at home on the build, but i may do a standard intake due to the heads and CID increase.....

 

[stanglx2002]

Im pretty sure someone on this forum would be more than happy to pick up the MS2 from the "Tuning Genius"