110 mpg ..........mustang

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SONIC02

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What's your ideas on this guy? Whenever someone like this comes around the government picks them up and you never hear from them again.

http://video.wnbc.com/player/?id=271843


Sorry for the commercial... don't know a way around it.

 

StangYellow

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I didnt click on the link, but what about the GM EV-1 electric car that was all the rage in the 90's..... then mysteriously vanished. How else will the government fund the war effort without taxes from fuel?

 

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Seems interesting, but I'm not seeing the possibility.

For starters, at the VERY beginning, it looks like its a carb'd...sorry, but a carb will never be as fuel efficient as fuel injection.

They are also advertising E85 on the car. Unless they are attempting to run a ton of compression, I dont see the benefit. E85 has less energy in comparison to gasoline, so you use more of it which makes the 110mpg even more far fetched.

They also claim 500hp and 500 ft lbs. Lots of power takes lots of fuel. Unless they run a certain metal that can handle extreme lean mixtures and detonation / pre-ignition that NOBODY else knows about, then I dont see how this is happening.

 

hotmustang331

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Wouldnt that be nice

Thing is, if they can do it with a carb....they can do it with EFI. You still need to fill the cylinders X amount of fuel...JMO. Maybe he is running insanly lean....like 25-30-1 A/F and figured out how to get enough power for the engine to run properly.

 

mazen189

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im not saying this mustang does get 110 mpg,
but i know we have the technology to make a fuel efficiant car that would benifit all.

 

03TrueBlue

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Holley double pumper and 110MPG WOW . My last Holley got around 8mpg

 

bhuff30

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That video had absolutely no technical merit to it and no credibility. And I'm sooo tired of the consiracy theories going around.

Modern cars get poor gas mileage because that's what we demand. No one wants to drive a rattle box, and to make a car that is structurally sound, with reduced interior noise, and seats that are heated AND wipe your butt takes a great deal of mass, not to mention, no one wants compromised interior space for aerodynamics.

The EV-1 disapeared because it was for LEASE ONLY and GM could not make a profit on the car. Simple econmics.

The technical input into this thread to this point is generally very inaccurate. Leaner air-fuel mixtures do get slightly better mileage, but not significantly. Part of the reason is that the peak temperatures are HIGHEST at stoich (14.7:1) mixtures. Simply put, leaner than stoich mixtures make less power, forcing the engine to work hard.

Also, super lean mixtures are not very possible. At 17:1, you'll notice a 'lean surge'. Any higher and it becomes more difficult to ignite the mixture and the engine will start missing.

There was a lean burn honda civic, I believe in the 90's. The problem with lean burn is that emissions go through the roof, and you don't really gain much from it, hence manufactures don't build cars that run lean.

 

geoffsgt

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If it doesn't have HCCI, GDI, Hybrid or Electric in the name, it's not the future of efficient vehicles

 

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If you guys actually watch the video it's pretty clear the car in question is the black one, and the yellow/green/blue car is just another one of his mustangs. They clearly say that he "doesn't yet want to show under the hood" of the black one...while they show a long shot...of the black one

Best way to get better MPG is learn how to drive like a grandma...next thing is invest in lighter materials and vehicles...then worry about power plant, drive system, etc.

 

bhuff30

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Here is a brief article on the same car:
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080701/BUSINESS02/807010341

They claim 80mpg in the article, which is well short of the 110 claimed in the video. I'd be interested in HOW they are doing this. I'd imagine it involves a LOT of compression, direct injection, and maybe even preheating the air charge. An efficiency of 38% is quite amazing if it is true! That's the kind of thermal efficiency your average coal power plant has, and they have every advantage when it comes to scale and money.

 

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I'll tell ya how to get 110 miles per gallon - give me a gallon of Neucastle. and I'll tow your car 110 miles.

 

Wolvrin704

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0-60 in 3 seconds? Why am I doubting that?

 

BennyBlown2v

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Wolvrin704 said:

0-60 in 3 seconds? Why am I doubting that?

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I don't know why are you? A 1.70 60ft is about 3.4 seconds 0-60mph when you have 400 ish hp. Oh hey, my car goes 0-60 in 3.x seconds

 

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Wolvrin704 said:

0-60 in 3 seconds? Why am I doubting that?

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http://www.teslamotors.com/efficiency/how_it_works.php

Tesla Roadster, 0-60 in under 4 seconds, about 135 m.p.g. translated into a gasoline equivalent. If this car is anything like that, I don't see it being so far fetched, nor that impressive considering the Tesla Roadster is a production car that's already out.

 

Pearl02

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Stark77 said:

I'll tell ya how to get 110 miles per gallon - give me a gallon of Neucastle. and I'll tow your car 110 miles.

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Pearl02.