WTF? I love how you list all this pricey buzz word hardware, then...add "and a decent plastic CAI".hotmustang331 said:Sarcastic LOL, all 99-04s came with PIs. The only way your gonna get 12.5s N/A is by getting some MPH stg 3 race heads, MPH custom cams, forged SB with 10.1-1 compression (RPMs should be in the 7200RPMS range...I wouldnt do that on the stock SB), and LTs, O/R X, electric waterpump, upper plenum, 75MM TB, and a decent plastic CAI. (it will help more on a motor like that since it will be pulling ALOT more air then stock)....You should have 320-330 RWHP pretty easy with that setup, and MAY go into the 11s with slicks and some weight reduction...I know a guy with 340RWHP auto LS1 and he ran a 12.3 @ 109 or 111 on DRs. On street tires or Drs, you should be able to hit that 12.5 and trap a good 110.
hotmustang331 said:Well in the first place, gambling is preety dumb...I will NEVER race for money...racing is for a thing called FUN. ill race from a stop, or from a roll...the reason i dont like racing from a stop is due to me having the advantage with my fat tires and the results will be in my favor from my tires, and not from my power....I want to BEAT someone all the way with them NOT gaining on me. Watch all these vids of these TT cobras, TT machs, supercharged GTs, pullied cobras...ALMOST ALL of them race from a 40-60 punch...tell all of them they are street racing "fast & furious" style. The guy just said that he wants a car that will run 12.5s in street trim (and that means STREET LEAGAL, daily driven). There are 2 ways to go about it, all power or all traction....I like option c....a mix. BTW DK, your car is FAST no mater what kind of trim its in LOL, 12.2s is nothing to take lightly, and glad to see that your not gutted, but i do take it that your car is not a DD.
what a douche bag. at 3600lbs launching at 4500 rpms in my vert with only a midpipe, off the shelf chip, 4.10s, pullies and plenum and tb...untuned i went 12.9....in ****ty weather....hotmustang331 said:Im sorry, but to me, a REAL mid-low 12 second car is about the trap, and real power....not launching at 6500RPMS and pull a 12.5 @ 102 LOL. If that what he wants then yea you dont need all that, but you will still get RAPED on the highway buy a lightly modded LS1. My way, you would run EASY low 12s and murder all but the fastest LS1s on the highway. i just worded that wrong...YOU CAN HIT 12s ON THE STOCK HEADS AND INTAKE. You just got to rev like mad and launch at HIGH rpms and risk tearing up things....But any blower 2V will still rip you a new one one the highway, and have all his interior and stock tires. N/A is a waste IMO, sure you can pull 12s but you WILL NOT do it at full weight...DK your raceweight is just over 3100 pounds, our race weight is over 3500pounds. Otherwise with fullweight, you wouldnt be much faster than anyone else. Sorry, but gutting a car and running skinnys is just a track queen, and on the street in street trim you wont run like that, espically at a race weight of 3500. My time was run at full weight and on my street tires...my time is what i REALLY run on the street.
The Jackie factor has arrived! Thanks John, for telling it like it is.Jackie Chan said:what a douche bag. at 3600lbs launching at 4500 rpms in my vert with only a midpipe, off the shelf chip, 4.10s, pullies and plenum and tb...untuned i went 12.9....in ****ty weather....
learn to drive your **** box
oh yeah forgot about the tire bull****. 16x8 bullits in the back with et streets and 17x8s up front on the stock suspension. With good weather in a coupe and my exact set up they are mid 12 second cars all day long
hotmustang331 said:WHAT? You guys are idiots, if anything its all of you with a black and white view of racing....THATS YOUR OPINION THAT RACING IS FROM A STOP! I would rather say I beat someone, knowing it was my power, instead of beacause I had 315 DRs and the other guy had skinny stock tires and couldnt drive. thats retared, like one of you competing in the special olympics and actually being happy when you win. And Jon, I thought you were pretty smart, but now....your a freegin retard...12.9s to 12.5s is NOT an easy task, not nearly as simple as going from 13.9-13.5 or 14.9-14.5. the faster you go, the harder it is to improve your time, you of all people should know that. The problem with you guys is that your narrow minded, and think the best way to run mid 12s is by all out traction and spending the least possable...some people actually have a different opinion on how to get there, and sorry, my way IS NOT THE ONLY WAY. And no offence to anyone, but you guys started this and started calling me names just because I voiced my opinion on how to do it, and wrongly worded what i was trying to say. Guess that shows your immaturity. I hate it when people think they are right and everyone else is wrong, and they think they are God and know everything. BTW, the starter of this thread said he wants to hit mid 12s with power and good traction (DRs), NOT all traction and weight reduction (so i win LOL)....and again, I simply prefer to get to my goals by a nice mix of power and traction...not by an extreme of one way or the other. Thanks, and no hard feelings. BTW Mr chan, I pull 1.90 60s...I think I drive pretty well...and thats all that matters.
No offense bro, but what happened to the old saying run what you brung? Look at my HP and TQ #'s vise my best time under my avatar. With my #'s I should be in the mid 11's all day EASILY! Power is useless without a way to get it to the ground. If I were to get some MT's, I'd have an 11 sec timeslip.hotmustang331 said:WHAT? You guys are idiots, if anything its all of you with a black and white view of racing....THATS YOUR OPINION THAT RACING IS FROM A STOP! I would rather say I beat someone, knowing it was my power, instead of beacause I had 315 DRs and the other guy had skinny stock tires and couldnt drive. thats retared, like one of you competing in the special olympics and actually being happy when you win. And Jon, I thought you were pretty smart, but now....your a freegin retard...12.9s to 12.5s is NOT an easy task, not nearly as simple as going from 13.9-13.5 or 14.9-14.5. the faster you go, the harder it is to improve your time, you of all people should know that. The problem with you guys is that your narrow minded, and think the best way to run mid 12s is by all out traction and spending the least possable...some people actually have a different opinion on how to get there, and sorry, my way IS NOT THE ONLY WAY. And no offence to anyone, but you guys started this and started calling me names just because I voiced my opinion on how to do it, and wrongly worded what i was trying to say. Guess that shows your immaturity. I hate it when people think they are right and everyone else is wrong, and they think they are God and know everything. BTW, the starter of this thread said he wants to hit mid 12s with power and good traction (DRs), NOT all traction and weight reduction (so i win LOL)....and again, I simply prefer to get to my goals by a nice mix of power and traction...not by an extreme of one way or the other. Thanks, and no hard feelings. BTW Mr chan, I pull 1.90 60s...I think I drive pretty well...and thats all that matters.
Agreed! What kind of race is that??? Re-read the original post. If he's looking for 12.5's, I don't think the rolling start is part of that package. Where are these tracks that have rolling starts anyway?Black2001GT said:Racing from a roll is dumb. That is my opinion!
Look at the title of the thread.
Gosh, umm, no offense taken. And, no offense, but you're a dick.hotmustang331 said:No offence to anyone, You guys are idiots
That is what drag racing is!!! From the Encyclopedia Britannica: Drag Racing - form of motor racing that originated in the United States and in which two contestants race from a standing start side by side on a drag strip—a flat, straight coursehotmustang331 said:All of you with a black and white view of racing....THATS YOUR OPINION THAT RACING IS FROM A STOP!
Sooo, from a standing start is retarded, but a rolling start is your kind of racing? A true 12.5 is a true 12.5, retarded or not.hotmustang331 said:thats retared, like one of you competing in the special olympics and actually being happy when you win.
How would you know it's not an easy task? Look, John can defend himself all day, but I believe his point was he took his nearly stock vert to a 12.9. Do you really feel that another 4 tenths is insurmountable?hotmustang331 said:And Jon, I thought you were pretty smart, but now....your a freegin retard...12.9s to 12.5s is NOT an easy task - you of all people should know that.
True, going the cheap way is not the only way, but you seem to have a problem with it - why? Most of us have a budget. Getting into the 12's as cheaply as possible is, for most people, the only way they can get into the 12's. If money were no object, 12's wouldn't be a big deal.hotmustang331 said:And secondly, The problem with you guys is that your narrow minded, and think the best way to run mid 12s is by all out traction and spending the least possable...some people actually have a different opinion on how to get there, and sorry, my way IS NOT THE ONLY WAY.
Jesus, do you think before you speak? Everyone else is immature...and you base this on, "you guys started this and started calling me names..."?hotmustang331 said:And , but you guys started this and started calling me names just because I voiced my opinion on how to do it, and wrongly worded what i was trying to say. Guess that shows your immaturity.
Mr. Maturity strikes againhotmustang331 said:so i win LOL
Duh! Maybe I missed it, but did someone say all you need is power or traction? Of course it's a mix of the two. All the power in the world won't get you there, neither will all the traction in the world. I doubt you open anyones' eyes with that statement.hotmustang331 said:and again, I simply prefer to get to my goals by a nice mix of power and traction...not by an extreme of one way or the other.