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Progress Thread 12th Owner: My '93 Notchback Restoration & Performance Build

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from6to8 said:
Those bolt heads were contacting what, the WP? Caused an issue?
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They're suspected to have just been touching the timing chain cover. If so, it would have been enough to not allow a tight seal which eventually led the gasket to blowing out.
 
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Have you thought about having the upper professionally ported? Tom Moss has ported a lot of them.

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Habu135 said:
They're suspected to have just been touching the timing chain cover. If so, it would have been enough to not allow a tight seal which eventually led the gasket to blowing out.
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Are you sure you're not talking about they were contacting the gasket itself of the water pump? Because those bolts go through the timing cover LOL
 

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Somebody is confused
The bolts in question at the ones that hold the plate to the back of the water pump, covers the wirlygig inside.
 

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General karthief said:
@from6to8
Somebody is confused
The bolts in question at the ones that hold the plate to the back of the water pump, covers the wirlygig inside.
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Is that a fox thing? On the 94 95 the water pump just fastens to the timing cover. There might be some studs on my pump that fastened if I recall correctly if it's the same concept.

Even looking at his timing cover and water pump it definitely looks different than the 94 95. The whole setup looks different
 

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from6to8 said:
Are you sure you're not talking about they were contacting the gasket itself of the water pump? Because those bolts go through the timing cover LOL
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Please go back and read the posts which show the backing plate. It will make sense to you.
 

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Please go back and read the posts which show the backing plate. It will make sense to you.
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Which post number are you talking about I went back to page I believe it was 44 that showed the broken gasket and cover
 

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Aerocoupe's comment in #881.
 

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Habu135 said:
Aerocoupe's comment in #881.
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I read his comments earlier and went back and look at the images on the prior page looks like it's Post number 880 that showed the images. As the gasket sits on the cover, it's not touching the bolts and it looks like the gasket is aligned. Those are the bolts before you shaved them down so unless in hell or other boats that I'm not seeing I don't see how they were touching the gasket from what I could see from those images, but I guess they were lol .
 

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Aerocoupe's comment in #881.
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But I was just curious and it was just for reference. I've never had an issue like that at all on the many of water pumps I've changed on 94.95s
 

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from6to8 said:
Is that a fox thing? On the 94 95 the water pump just fastens to the timing cover. There might be some studs on my pump that fastened if I recall correctly if it's the same concept.

Even looking at his timing cover and water pump it definitely looks different than the 94 95. The whole setup looks different
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What's a fox thing, being confused of having weird water pump bolts?
Don't matter, you don't see them with the water pump installed (resisting calling it a ice cube whirler or whatever terminology VVG uses) but I think the 94-5 would be the same basically,

Ahhhhh, yea, rockauto says they are different, here's the rest of us


The two lower bolts that hold the plate to the back of the water pump housing has a 'special' (said in my best 'church lady' voice) thin head that does not interfere with the timing cover, aftermarket pumps are often found with the wrong bolts.
Test on friday.....
 
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from6to8 said:
I read his comments earlier and went back and look at the images on the prior page looks like it's Post number 880 that showed the images. As the gasket sits on the cover, it's not touching the bolts and it looks like the gasket is aligned. Those are the bolts before you shaved them down so unless in hell or other boats that I'm not seeing I don't see how they were touching the gasket from what I could see from those images, but I guess they were lol .
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General karthief said:
What's a fox thing, being confused of having weird water pump bolts?
Don't matter, you don't see them with the water pump installed (resisting calling it a ice cube whirler or whatever terminology VVG uses) but I think the 94-5 would be the same basically,

Ahhhhh, yea, rockauto says they are different, here's the rest of us


The two lower bolts that hold the plate to the back of the water pump housing has a 'special' (said in my best 'church lady' voice) thin head that does not interfere with the timing cover, aftermarket pumps are often found with the wrong bolts.
Test on friday.....
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The General has spoken.
 
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Tracking. Just wondering about gains. I've got a tune already scheduled for 3 July. So either way I suppose I'll be reporting on it.
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Noticeable dyno improvement results on combos where the intake was the bottleneck.
 
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Noticeable dyno improvement results on combos where the intake was the bottleneck.
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I'll post before and after results for the community.
 

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General karthief said:
What's a fox thing, being confused of having weird water pump bolts?
Don't matter, you don't see them with the water pump installed (resisting calling it a ice cube whirler or whatever terminology VVG uses) but I think the 94-5 would be the same basically,

Ahhhhh, yea, rockauto says they are different, here's the rest of us


The two lower bolts that hold the plate to the back of the water pump housing has a 'special' (said in my best 'church lady' voice) thin head that does not interfere with the timing cover, aftermarket pumps are often found with the wrong bolts.
Test on friday.....
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Yeah I've never when I installed a water pump seen any bolts on the back side of the water pump or ever had to remove any or install any so that's where that's new to me lol.

Maybe that's where all the confusion is because I've never had that issue that he had or you guys said he needed to trim the bolt head down or never read about it or heard of it so all that's new to me. When I googled something earlier and of course Google can be wrong, but it said something to the effect that the fox set up is different from the 94-95 (how different I don't know). I have never had to confirm that or looked into seeing whether they were or not
 

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Temperature Gauge Sending Unit is on the fritz now. If it's not one thing it's another.​


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Out with the old crusty, and in with the new shiny. Temp gauge reads dead on now.

 
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from6to8 said:
Yeah I've never when I installed a water pump seen any bolts on the back side of the water pump or ever had to remove any or install any so that's where that's new to me lol.

Maybe that's where all the confusion is because I've never had that issue that he had or you guys said he needed to trim the bolt head down or never read about it or heard of it so all that's new to me. When I googled something earlier and of course Google can be wrong, but it said something to the effect that the fox set up is different from the 94-95 (how different I don't know). I have never had to confirm that or looked into seeing whether they were or not
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Rare occasion when I'm wrong, I can take it and we both learned something,......
Now what da hell were we take'n bout?
 
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Yeah I've never when I installed a water pump seen any bolts on the back side of the water pump or ever had to remove any or install any so that's where that's new to me lol.
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What's funny is that it doesn't come up all that often. Folks are either getting the right bolts with their parts or extremely lucky. You would think that we'd see threads about that thing specifically, more often.

It's been some time since I had to install a water pump but when I did, I'd ordered a quality bolt kit before hand knowing all my stuff was from the factory so, I didn't run into this issue or even learn about it until later.
 
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What's funny is that it doesn't come up all that often. Folks are either getting the right bolts with their parts or extremely lucky. You would think that we'd see threads about that thing specifically, more often.

It's been some time since I had to install a water pump but when I did, I'd ordered a quality bolt kit before hand knowing all my stuff was from the factory so, I didn't run into this issue or even learn about it until later.
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This is why this site is so high quality - The brotherhood helping to make our cars better.
 
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