302 runs like POOP. Help! (long, rambling newbie)

I'm continuing to try and get my '68 GT roadworthy, and having very little success. :(

When I bought it, we struggled to get it running well enough for the trip home and failed, ended up towing it. We found lots of problems right off the bat - almost every vacuum port you could find was uncapped or hooked up wrong, timing was way off. It surged, sputtered, backfired fairly regularly, and generally just sucked. Some helpful guys at an Exxon tried helped us get it running somewhat better, then it just died and wouldn't start.

We towed it home, I yanked the plugs, cleaned them off and it cranked up. It was VERY rough, stumbled if you touched the gas, seemed like perhaps it was missing, but no backfires.

The Holley 750 on a stock '68 302 (AFAIK, except for a Performer manifold) was definitely over kill, so my dad shipped me an Autolite 4100 1.08 from his stash. I threw it on yesterday, cranked it up - things seemed to have improved. It was still rough, but it didn't bog down and stumble nearly as bad as it used to when you gave it gas. I thought 'hot damn, we're halfway there, probably just needs a tune up'.

I proceeded to install my clutch fan, hopped back in, cranked it up, and it was running like crap again! I hopped out to take a look, hit the throttle with my hand, and BOOM! Huge backfire from the carb, engine dropped dead.

A few minutes later, I tried cranking it, and it just backfired 2-3 times as I cranked!

WTF?!!?!?!

I spent last night surfing the archived wisdom on here. This morning I:

1) Verified the firing order is 289/302 and not 351/5.0. I did this by yanking the valve covers and turning the engine over by hand (freakin battery died, murphy hates me) and watching the sequence of intake valves opening.

2) Verified the distributor is not 180 degrees off. When #1 is around TDC on the compression stroke (intake valve just closed), the distributor was pointing somewhere in the general direction #1 plug wire.

3) My dad thinks it's rather odd it occasionally runs well, then just goes to crap, and suggested I verify the distributor gearing. I cranked and watched the rotor, it doesn't slip or stutter. I finally yanked it and checked the gear and the camshaft gear while I turned the engine, I see nothing funky.

The carb was verified as working perfectly on another 302 before it was sent to me.

I suspect the valves may need adjustment, as the prior owner had the heads done - probably to fix all the damage done by sucking in air through countless vacuum ports. Whoever did the heads supposedly also broke the fuel pump eccentric, which also contributed to us wondering if they also botched the distributor gear on the cam.

Could poorly adjusted valves do this? I've read up on adjusting valves, is there an easy way to know if I've got hydraulic or solid lifters - since that appears to be the deciding factor on adjusting them, or am I just barking up the wrong tree here?

I have no idea what cam is in it, may be stock. Heads appear to be stock.

Anyone have any suggestions?

thanks!
 
Try adjusting the valves a little loose to at least help start the engine. It may sound like a racket, but it may at least let you get the engine running. As far as hydraulic or solids, I guess if you adjust them with near zero clearance and can still hear clacking sounds, it could be solids. Backfire is usually a timing issue, firing sequence or vacuum leak issue. Good luck.
 
My car ran pretty crappy when I first got it and I found a vaccuum leak - prev owner put the wrong gaskets on the carb spacer. Easy check for this is to spray carb cleaner around the intake manifold and carb base and see if rpm's change.

I know I sound like kind of a broken record on the vac leak thing but it is so easy to check and rule out.
 
my66coupe said:
Timing..........12* initial is good.....Make sure you use a light. IF the balancer's rubber ring is cracked, it could have slipped making it harder to time.

Mike

Ps where you at in az??

I guess attempting to time it again is the next plan, once I get everything thrown back together and a working battery.

I'm in North Scottsdale.
 
krash kendall said:
When they changed the fuel pump eccentric did they screw up the timing chain set-up?

Nothing would surprise me at this point. =)

Is there an easy way to conclusively diagnose that?

notny41: I will try that one too, I've plugged so many uncapped vacuum lines it only seems reasonable there are more problems.

66P51GT: exhaust sounds fine, not sure what else I can check without removing it. Carb squirts gas...

thanks guys!