87GT stumbling, backfire thru intake

bones90gt

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Here is my set up. 306 Comp SD friendly cam, ported E7s, Pro. Products intake with 70mm TB. MSD coil, cap and rotor, FMS 8MM wires.
Problem(s) About a week ago when leaving work, car didn't want to run with the throttle opened round mid way. It would start to stumble, and just once in awhile backfire up thru the intake. At idle everything seems fine, at Wide Open Throttle it runs great!
Here is what i've done so far...Replaced plugs, wires, rotor, cap, coil, TFS even switch Distributor and Computers out with another SB stang. I've triple checked timming, idel set and TPS vortage. At times I can drive it all day with no problems, next it will act up. Some days it will be running fine then act up a bit then run fine again.
Then yesterday it started something new....cutting off while going down the road. I just replaced the ignition switch a month ago, and have re-checked it..all looks good there. Fuel press. is good at idle and when reving it up.

I know it's got to be something electrical but i'm lost!!!!
HELP!!!!!!!
 
Backfiring out the intake is either a valve stuck open or a lean mixture or spark plug wire(s) connected to the wrong cylinder(s). Check compression on all cylinders and then look for vacuum hoses loose, cracked, or misconnected. Check the line for the vapor recirculation system – it is easy to knock loose and not see it when you connect the air pump plumbing. If the vacuum line for the EGR valve and the air pump are cross connected, some very strange things can happen. Check the mass air flow electrical connection and see that it is tight, the same goes for the fuel injection wiring harness connectors up on top of the manifold near the firewall.

Sticking valves: If a intake valve is bent, has a bad spring or is misadjusted, the engine will sometimes backfire through the intake. Use a vacuum gauge connected to any convenient spot on the intake manifold. Run the engine at 1000 RPM & look for 18-21 inches of vacuum with a steady needle. A problem intake valve will make the vacuum gauge needle sweep 5-10 inches.

Lean fuel mixture breaks out into several sub categories:
A.). Vacuum leaks
B.) Air entering the intake without passing through the MAF.
C.) Failure of the MAF, BAP/MAP (Baro or Manifold Air Pressure, same sensor, different name), ACT (air charge temp), or ECT (engine coolant temp). These should set a code in the computer.
D.) Leaking exhaust gases from EGR valve at WOT or EGR opening when it should not be open.
E.) Poor fuel delivery due to bad fuel pump, clogged filter or bad fuel pump wiring. Look for low pressure or fluctuating pressure. Standard injector pressure is 39 PSI at idle, with the vacuum line disconnected from the regulator and capped.
F.) Clogged fuel injectors.- see the cylinder balance test below
H.) Fuel injector wiring problems causing injector not to deliver rated flow.
I.) Computer problems: (computer problems are not common like sensor problems)
J.). ROM has bad data in fuel or timing table. This should also set a code in the computer.
K.) Failure of one or more of the computer's driver transistors for the fuel injectors. No code set on this one. Use a noid test light to test the injector wiring & injector drivers,
L.) MAF calibration off or mismatched to injectors.
M.) ACT or ECT bad. Sometimes the sensors will be off calibration, but not bad enough to set a code. If they falsely read too high a temp, the engine will back off fuel delivery.

Cylinder balance test:
Warm the car's engine up to normal operating temperature. Use a jumper wire or paper clip to put the computer into test mode. Start the engine and let it go through the normal diagnostic tests, then quickly press the throttle to the floor. The engine RPM should exceed 2500 RPM's for a brief second. The engine RPM's will increase to about 1450-1600 RPM and hold steady. The engine will shut off power to each injector, one at a time. When it has sequenced through all 8 injectors, it will flash 9 for everything OK, or the number of the failing cylinder such as 2 for cylinder #2. Quickly pressing the throttle again up to 2500 RPM’s will cause the test to re-run with smaller qualifying figures. Do it a third time, and if the same cylinder shows up, the cylinder is weak and isn’t putting out power like it should. See the Chilton’s Shop manual for the complete test procedure

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great.

See http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/

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IF your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see http://www.actron.com/product_detail.php?pid=16153 for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/pc-7208-90-equus-digital-ford-code-reader-3145.aspx – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
 
Hey,

I have a similar situation with my 87GT. After i go on a WOT assault through the gears, then back off and cruise at 1/4 to 3/4 throttle it will sometimes, hesitate, hiccup, stumble whatever, also the odd backfire (sounds like muffled up through the intake). The car runs fine all other times and at WOT.

I pulled the codes and got a couple EGR related ones which i believe are the problem. I haven't pinpoited the problem but am pretty sure it is EGR related.
 
Ya'll know i'm feel really dumb right about now.....seem that the vacuum line on the BAP/MAP was half way off...LMAO I plugged it back up good an tight, took it for a test trip round the hood and no problems. Then I waited about an hour and went for another drive this time taken it down the road a few miles, still runs great and no issues. Damn I'm so hoping this was it and the problem is fixed!!!!