88 5.0 cuts out... whats the problem?

85cleangtvert

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I was driving my 88 5.0 coupe the other night when it just cut out. I was making a U turn when it killed. I tried to restart but was acting like getting no fuel or spark. I put gas in it... nothing. I sprayed some starting fluid in the intake and it started and then died. So i know the spark is good and it is fuel problem. Car had a lot of faulty wiring (ie, old alarm). We got rid of all that extra stuff and put it back to stock. We ran the test on it and its getting no fuel pressure. I am guessing that it is either a clogged filter, clog somewhere in the line, or the fuel pump just took a dive finally. When I turn the car on, I still hear the fuel pump run for a second tho. then it goes off, like it does when it normally turns on but it just doesnt start anymore... am i on the right track? could this be the fuel pump even tho i am still hearing it? I am just not that familiar with the set up on these cars so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
 
Since you happened to be making a U-turn, i would check the inertia switch (check it physically and check the electrical connection behind it to ensure it is passing 12 volts).

good luck.
 
there was little to no pressure at the schrader valve...i believe it is the stock fuel pump and the car has over 120K on it, and that is where it stopped b/c the speedo doesnt work. It probably has more miles than that on it. I will check the inertia switch again but I believe it is good. The fuel pump still makes noise for about 5 sec. when you first turn the key in the on position. would it do that still if the inertia switch was bad or not passing 12 volts? also, if the fuel pump is bad, can it still make noise but not work? im guessing it can but im not sure. thanks for the replys!
 
ok, if you hear a priming noise, the intertia switch is likely alright (relay is energizing and priming the pump, but the pump has no guts). VG's idea sounds like the right track (a reg can also cause low pressure, but that is very unlikely compared to the pump).

if you cycle the key several times w/o starting, does pressure build a little?

good luck.
 
before going for the pump I changed the filter. The old one was clogged. I went to start the car after turning it on and off a few times to let the pressure build up. it still didnt start. I was thinking that maybe i installed it backwards, so i took it back off. i forgot to release the pressure through the schrader valve and when i took off the line at the filter... the one after the filter that goes to the front of the car... there was pressure and it popped off and a lot of fuel came out. So I am guessing the fuel pump does work? is the correct? if so, then why wont my car start still?
 
85, I would follow SS93's advice in post 2 at this point. it is hard to equate the fuel loss while opening the lines vs actual pressure (and volume). a diagnostic FP gauge is 20-30 bucks and well worth it if you work on cars. good luck.
 
me and my brother checked again for spark and now...of course, its not getting spark! im really confused now. When the car first died on me and wouldnt restart, we sprayed some starting fluid in the intake and it started and ran for a sec. then died. Now that I have put a new fuel filter in it, it is getting pressure at the schrader valve but now has no spark. It has power to the coil and through it, but I guess it could be bad? what do you think I should look for now as I am thinking now it isnt starting because of spark.
 
I would be VERY sure it does not have spark (I hate the 'put a screw inside a plug wire' method - use a spare spark plug to ensure you dont have spark).

common causes or no spark are a bad TFI or PIP or coil. if one has the key on and loosens the dizzy and moves the dizzy and hears injectors fire, that suggests the PIP is alright (be sure to mark the dizzy before doing this - last thing you need is to wonder if your timing is off).

I would get a diagnostic FP gauge to check FP and a noid light to check injector pulse (both useful tools to have). This is assuming the initial FP issue was real.

I have shotgunned things here - not a nice approach. I would refer to Jrichker's no start checklist and hit the sections that apply to you (perhaps pay more attention to the parts which were mentioned by myself and others in this thread).

good luck.
 
Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs

1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Place car in neutral or Park. Remove coil wire from distributor & and hold 3/8” away from engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.
No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) MSD or Crane ignition box if so equipped
B.) Coil
C.) TFI module
D.) PIP sensor in distributor
E.) ECC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires
F.) Fuse links in wiring harness - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. All the fuse links live in a bundle up near the starter solenoid.
G.) Ignition switch - look for 12 volts at the ignition coil red/lt green wire.
H.) Computer

See the following links for wiring diagrams...

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/16/71/3c/0900823d8016713c.jsp for 79-88 model cars

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/19/59/5a/0900823d8019595a.jsp for 89-93 model cars

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/1d/db/3c/0900823d801ddb3c.jsp for 94-98 model cars


2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.
Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t, then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. See http://www.mustangworks.com/article...c-iv_codes.html for a description of the test connector. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In pinch you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay. The fuse links live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running.

Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing.

A.) A Noid light available from Autozone, is one way to test the injector wiring.
B.) I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too.

a.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
b.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).
c.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the ECC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.


4.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.

A.) Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off: only likely if the engine has been worked on recently).
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines.
HO & 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Non HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
E.) No start when hot - Press the throttle to the floor & try starting it if you get this far. If it starts, replace the ECT.