about to go turbo...what do i need?

cenok is family · Mar 2, 2013

i was going to order a complete on3 kit, but after everyone saying that the turbo sucks, i think i am just going to order the treadstone hot and cold side piping kits, a treadstone intercooler, and i don't know what else, lol. that's where i need your guys' help! what else am i going to need that isn't included in these kits?

here is the cold side kit:
http://www.treadstoneperformance.co...dname=87-93+Mustang+single+turbo+kit+pipe+kit

here is the hot side:
http://www.treadstoneperformance.co...ngle+Turbo+Kit+87-93+Mustang+(Hot+parts+only)

here is the intercooler i'm going to get. it's the trv25-s; same side facing endtanks. it's the one in their complete kit:
http://www.treadstoneperformance.co...=63&prodname=TRV25+Series+Intercooler++1000HP

what is a decent enough turbo for around $500-700 price range? what about wastegates and BOVs?

i'm new to the boost game, so any help would be appreciated!

my goal is to try and keep money below $2500, and if possible, below $2000. i know this approach isn't going to be the best of the best, but i don't need the best. just something decent that isn't going to blow up after 100 miles.

thanks!

TOOLOW91 · Mar 2, 2013

on3 will work, we ran it on a friends car you just need to use a good w/g bov and turbo, As far as turbo in that price range = Master power hands down, he ran a 76. Waste gate and BOV - tial

cenok is family · Mar 2, 2013

i've been debating that option as well. just getting the on3 kit and using a different turbo/wg/bov. the only thing that has been keeping me from doing that, is by the time i get different stuff, i'll probably be approaching the cost of a treadstone single turbo kit.

do you have a link to where i can look at master power turbos? they only place i've ever looked at them is on ebay. thanks man

cenok is family · Mar 2, 2013

just found this on ebay...what do you guys think? come with what looks like a c&l maf and some 42# injectors

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Master-Powe...Parts_Accessories&hash=item3380488fb8&vxp=mtr

TOOLOW91 · Mar 2, 2013

Looks ok, id be wary of a turbo i couldnt check the shaft play in person of, but it doesn't seem like a bad deal.

S&B · Mar 2, 2013

You need a very good set of jack stands. Ones that will allow the car to sit for at least 3 years

cenok is family · Mar 3, 2013

well, said "screw it" and just ordered a complete treadstone kit with a 62-1 turbo, and a tial Q bov. i'll order a maf and some injectors later. i've already got a 255 lph in tank walbro...do you think that will be enough or do i need an external too?

TOOLOW91 · Mar 3, 2013

you gonna need more then that 255 I would think the boost a pump would be a good idea

MikeH686 · Mar 3, 2013

Aeromotive sells an in tank 340 unit

TOOLOW91 · Mar 3, 2013

MikeH686 said:
Aeromotive sells an in tank 340 unit

So does walbro I am wondering how they perform

MikeH686 · Mar 3, 2013

Idk i might be putting one in my car ill have to let you know when i start it up

RacEoHolic330 · Mar 3, 2013

cenok is family said:
well, said "screw it" and just ordered a complete treadstone kit with a 62-1 turbo, and a tial Q bov. i'll order a maf and some injectors later. i've already got a 255 lph in tank walbro...do you think that will be enough or do i need an external too?

Did you get a wastegate as well? Tial makes a 38mm with the two bolt flanges that will probably work with this kit. You're also going to need a y-pipe to mate the downpipe to your catback as well as a bung for a wideband O2 sensor.

The only thing I'm not thrilled about with the treadstone coldside design is that there is a bend coming directly off the MAF housing. You usually want as much straight pipe on each side of the MAF as possible for accurate readings. I suggest a slot-style MAF. More accurate than the typical sampling tube MAF and they do not need to be calibrated to injector size.

MikeH686 · Mar 3, 2013

He wouldnt need a y pipe if he just routes it to the outside

cenok is family · Mar 3, 2013

RacEoHolic330 said:
Did you get a wastegate as well? Tial makes a 38mm with the two bolt flanges that will probably work with this kit. You're also going to need a y-pipe to mate the downpipe to your catback as well as a bung for a wideband O2 sensor.

The only thing I'm not thrilled about with the treadstone coldside design is that there is a bend coming directly off the MAF housing. You usually want as much straight pipe on each side of the MAF as possible for accurate readings. I suggest a slot-style MAF. More accurate than the typical sampling tube MAF and they do not need to be calibrated to injector size.

the kit comes with a 35mm turbonetics evolution wastegate, it just didnt come with a bov for some reason. what is a good slot style maf?

i appreciate everyones help

MikeH686 · Mar 3, 2013

I think pro m might be slot style but dont quote me on it

RacEoHolic330 · Mar 3, 2013

Pro M makes pretty much every slot MAF on the market. Most are just branded under different names. I got my MAF through Rick 91GT. He had good pricing on the sensor and harness. I bought a really nice aluminum 3" tube w/ sensor flange from a company online, but I can't remember what the name was. I'll have to dig up the MAF in my box of tricks in the basement and find it.

edit: This is the housing I bought. I needed a short one and this was the most reasonably priced one I could find at the time.

http://dagostinoracing.com/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=slot+maf&product_id=14154

cenok is family · Mar 3, 2013

thanks race, i'll grab one of those and a pro-m slot sensor. you guys said there is no calibration needed on the slot ones, correct? also, do you think 42# injectors would be fine? what else will i essentially NEED to get this turbo kit working safely on my car? boost controller, wideband, should i get a quarterhorse or just take it somewhere and have it tuned? or both? do you think a boost-a-pump is a must or can i get by with just my 255lph in tank for now?

i'm not trying to split my block, so i'm aiming for right around 400ish rwhp, maybe a little more. i don't have a crazy setup currently, just some thumper ported e7's with 1.94/1.6 valves, an unported cobra intake, and an anderson n-412 cam which is pretty much the same as the n-41 except a 112 lsa instead of a 110. do you think my cam will be alright with a turbo? i have Ross racing forged pistons with factory crank and rods as well. i believe my comp is 9 or 9.5:1, i can't remember. they're flat tops with valve reliefs for inline and twisted wedge heads.

sorry about all the questions, like i said, i'm a newbie with forced induction!

you guys are life savers, i appreciate it!

TOOLOW91 · Mar 4, 2013

as far as fuel goes id rather have more then less and it lean out , you can run a vortech on a 255 alone ..... my friends car had aero motive rails dumped tank and a magnafuel pump , I know you are on a budget so I think that the walboro/ aeromotive 340 would possibly work for you . or even see I think glens performance sells a dual pump hat for a fox tank but i may be wrong and run 2 340s or 2 255s in it .

GroverDill · Mar 4, 2013

I would not even consider going turbo for the 400rwhp goal you have.

Used S trim 1 afternoon install, done.

If you already pulled the trigger on the turbo, I would run the stock cam. Loads of torque and very nice manners.

I have ran the 340 on 2 blower cars one was a 4.6 2 valve (puke) 17psi 470rwhp
the other was the 86 5.0 12 psi 470 rwhp

The 340 should be more than enough, this was on ty 91 octane too

cenok is family · Mar 4, 2013

the blower route would definitely have been the easier path to take, but i did already pull the trigger on the treadstone kit. i've always wanted to do a turbo build. do you think i'll be putting down more than 400 to the wheels with a 62-1 turbonetics turbo and my current setup?

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