Anyone tried p0r-20 or jet hot yet?????

Pakrat · Sep 7, 2004

I have been trying to convince myself to take my headers off and refinish them this fall, (actually I was going to do it when I put in my new percy gaskets on a month ago but I realized that the power sterring needs to be removed as my tubes pass both over and under the steering setup), but since it would only last about one season or so before it shows rust again I have been wondering if it is worth it. Then I read about the por-20 jet hot coating that seems to be a one time deal and also helps reduce heat build up and I'm thinking if it's as good as they say then maybe it is worth it.

Anyone got a tale to tell about the stuff?

http://www.prp-porstore.com/page/por15/PROD/HiTemp/P20

gp001 · Sep 7, 2004

We tried it on my buddy's vette (the Black Velvet) and it didn't work. Instead of staying the nice pretty black is was when applied it became that faded whitish/grayish/blackish look. This was on new headers that were properly cleaned and prepped. That is why I took mine and had them ceramic thermo coated. Sorry for the bad news

Pakrat · Sep 7, 2004

Right, got ya and noted, but I'm looking at either the stock manifold gray stuff or the new aluminum look as per the posted link.

gp001 · Sep 7, 2004

I don't understand Pak, they are all the same (just different colors). I wouldn't think their application and/or durability would differ much

http://www.prp-porstore.com/POR-15-High-Temperature-Paint.html

crushnut · Sep 7, 2004

I used it on a set of manifolds and it held up pretty good, except for the oil that got spilled and burned on Unfortuanetly if it is not a thermal ceramic coating like ''Jet Hot", then it will eventually succumb to the extreme heat of the headers, paint just doesnt hold up to the heat

69PaleHorse · Sep 7, 2004

What is the rest of your exhaust setup like? Could you drop your mufflers out quickly, coat them and drive with them for a few months to see how it holds up? At $17.00/pint it's not that big of an investment just to try it out...

crushnut · Sep 7, 2004

69PaleHorse said:
What is the rest of your exhaust setup like? Could you drop your mufflers out quickly, coat them and drive with them for a few months to see how it holds up? At $17.00/pint it's not that big of an investment just to try it out...

Are you talking about painting the mufflers as a test before going and painting the headers? The paint on the mufflers would probably hold up better than the paint on the headers, due to the reduced temperature

Pakrat · Sep 7, 2004

gp001 said:
I don't understand Pak, they are all the same (just different colors). I wouldn't think their application and/or durability would differ much

http://www.prp-porstore.com/POR-15-High-Temperature-Paint.html

I guess it was me who didn't understand then. When reading your reply it appears the only negative comment you make is the color changing from the original black, I see no performance or lack of durability reason not to use it, so since I did not intend to use black, I saw nothing applicable to my specific needs. I got ya now though.

If it doesn't work any better than your average high temp rattle can then I see no reason to experiment with it. I just figured with Por's remarkable rep on the 15 product, that maybe it was magic in a can or something.

So does Jet Hot do a better job then?

crushnut · Sep 7, 2004

FYI, this stuff goes a long way. I painted a set of manifolds w/ 3 coats, and a set of full length headers w/ 2 coats and it has barely used a 1/2 inch of paint from the can.

gp001 · Sep 7, 2004

Pakrat said:
I guess it was me who didn't understand then. When reading your reply it appears the only negative comment you make is the color changing from the original black, I see no performance or lack of durability reason not to use it, so since I did not intend to use black, I saw nothing applicable to my specific needs. I got ya now though.

If it doesn't work any better than your average high temp rattle can then I see no reason to experiment with it. I just figured with Por's remarkable rep on the 15 product, that maybe it was magic in a can or something.

So does Jet Hot do a better job then?

I see.

I just recently had my headers ceramic thermo coated. You can see pics here
http://www.2mfffabshop.com/xcoat.htm
and read their info here
http://www.specializedcoatingshb.com/ceramic.htm

They had a set on a chevy truck that looked great and had been on there for 15k+ miles. You can probably find a local shop that can do it for you.

Pakrat · Sep 7, 2004

Well, that obviously looks fantastic, but it can't be cheap, right?

gp001 · Sep 7, 2004

They charged me $200 for the headers and $200 for the X section. It may not be cheap, but it is permanent, so I went with it

pabear89 · Sep 7, 2004

From their page, It looks like it works best on cast.
I have used High Temp paint on stock cast manifolds and it has
held up well.

The paint on tubes would have to be heavy to last.
Coating is harder and thicker but more $.

I am going to try a Thick coat of High temp paint applied
over a 30 day time with multiple thin coats.
Sort of a Poor Man's Coating.
But will see how well it holds up to use.

PB

88 Fox GT · Sep 7, 2004

I've heard some good things about JET-HOT coating. I'm really considering having it done to my headers. I just need to get a cost estimate from them first.
They have a spot on their site to get estimates.
http://www.jet-hot.com/

1320stang · Sep 8, 2004

Pak, Airborn Coatings is close by to you.

AirBorn Coatings
52 Village Street
East Hartford, CT 06108
PHONE: (860) 528-8281
FAX: (860) 528-0023

The guys that started this company are the chemists from the original ceramic coating company, HPC.

They charge $225 inside and out for headers and $170 inside and out for cast manifolds. Exhaust tubing is $13.75/ft inside and out and mufflers are $45 to $75 outside only. These are for new or used parts, some places will not do used parts. They also do thermal barrier coatings and solid dry film coatings. They also do powder coatings as well.

Pakrat · Sep 8, 2004

Hmmmm, well there is no arguing that you got what you paid for, I just am not sure I want to spend a few hundred bucks on refinishing 10 year old headers. I mean, wouldn't a new set of ceramic coated be like less than double that? Or are the ones you buy already done only outside coated and not as good? My headers seem adequate enough and in good shape which is why I don't mind a severely cheaper home done remedy for now especially since it'll keep me busy this winter, but I do not want to waste my time either.

1320stang · Sep 8, 2004

Well, it depends on what you want for a header. My race headers are Hooker Super Comps, as far as I know, they don't come coated. Sometimes headers also require some "massaging" to fit right. I have a hard time doing this to a brand new set of coated headers that I might breach the finish on. If your headers are not rusted beyond belief, whats wrong with them being 10 years old? My Super Comps are at least that, they were coated by HPC. I have no problem with the thought of having them refinished by AirBorn. I only recommend AirBorn because I know how long they have been in the business and since they are local to me (HPC is as well) I have used them as well as many other locals, so I can attest to their product and how well it stands up to the test of time.

Pakrat · Sep 8, 2004

Well, that is a good point, my headers are massaged just right now to fit around the power steering and what not, probably not so easy to reproduce that on a new pair. They do only have light surface rust as far as I can see, and the 10 years or so probably translates to only 5 or 6 miles of actual use. My biggest obstacle I guess will remain justifying spending that cash on something functional though instead on say the weatherstrip that badly needs replacing instead as I have been putting that off for years now. I think for the short bucks and the fact that in either case I would have to yank all the power steering anyway, I might just try the cheap way this fall and see how it holds up for now.

Thanks for all the feedback guys.

88 Fox GT · Sep 8, 2004

Ok, Pakrat, just got a response from JET-HOT (only took a day to get the response back from them, not bad). They told me it would cost $279 + s&h for V8 long tube headers. This is the cost to treat and coat them inside and out. I chose the normal "sterling" coating which is the shiny silver coat.

Pakrat · Sep 8, 2004

Ouch, that's more than the local ceramic coating.

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