avereage HP from a 347?
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Killercanary said:
I put the whole 15 horsepower thing (as the rule of the thumb as you stated) to counter his 10hp "underestimate" to show a one-sidedness towards his point.
I said they gained it everywhere in the earlier post, no surprise there.
If the smog pump had nothing to be gained by being bypassed then why would one do it?
I just can't believe grn92lx said a the a/c is a free spinning pulley...he needs to go turn one with the belt off. Obviouisly it gets worse during the compressor cycles.
It is a simple point that you gain horsepower especially on a higher rev car. Less parasitic drag on the crank equals to more power/torque. Very easy concept.
I can't give up on a topic when someone puts very onesided and inaccurate info.
Claiming 2hp from a a/c and smog pump delete/bypass....come one
nmcgrawj said:Dont worry Paul he wont.You can say all you want...Ed C. can even come in and say his piece and he still wants more.
Wrong...about Ed. I have dealt with him (look at sig.)...he gave me what I wanted
I will argue points (takes two to argue right?) that need to be addressed. I hate bias info or misrepresented and misleading info. Pet peeve of mine...Grn92LX said:
In fact, two of them. (65 hours a week). I get minimum sleep with my "activities"...
walker95svt - Good questions
I don't worry about being "ganged up on". It doesn't slow my progress or points. I don't succumb just because of numbers. I'm an internet tough guy ...
walker95svt said:
I'm not perfect, but thanks!
JFYI- I do in fact have a full time job as a medical sales representative. I'm paid on 100% commission, which means if I'm not busy doing my job, I don't make any money... But I'm a hard worker and I do quite well for myself.
5spd GT said:If the smog pump had nothing to be gained by being bypassed then why would one do it?
I just can't believe grn92lx said a the a/c is a free spinning pulley...he needs to go turn one with the belt off. Obviouisly it gets worse during the compressor cycles.
Claiming 2hp from a a/c and smog pump delete/bypass....come one
The reason I deleted mine was because I run an offroad X pipe and therefore the air pump was serving no purpose, and I wanted to drop any excess weight I could. Its location is a great place to lose weight as well, right out in front of the car. The AC has a very MINIMAL amount of drag on it when the AC is off... VERY minimal. I have seen people delete both an gain nothing other than some weight off the front end. You are right that the parasitic loses do tend to go up with RPM, but I was surprised at how low in the RPM range GMKILLR gained power with deleting the power steering pump. I know you know about "area under the curve," but its an example like this where 5rwhp or less equates to 1-1.5mph gain in the 1/4 that opens other people's eyes to the importance of it.
nmcgrawj
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5spd GT said:Wrong...about Ed. I have dealt with him (look at sig.)...he gave me what I wanted
Never said you didnt deal with Ed. But Ed came into the other thread and stated the TRUTH about what can be done and what HAS been done at his shop. But you still ask US for graphs. Call Ed like i said before buddy.
And just for others, we all might argue, i cant count the times david(5spd), Mike(grn92lx), and myself have gotten into a little word battle. Its annoying. Yes it is but at the same time amusing. But at the end of the day we still all respect eachother(or atleast i hope
) and dont have any hard feelings 
nmcgrawj
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walker95svt said:
Both of the guys you were referring to have a lot of knowledge from experience. And paul is considered to be "perfect" because he has had his combo together the longest and has already made just about every mistake we could make. So he knows his stuff. Like Vib said, a lot of different personalities trying to get across the same idea(most of the time) but in a different way. Some people just have different theories they believe in. You can see it on hardcore50 too between some of the cam designers. They could go on all day but they HAVE to agree to disagree. But the arguements still come up.
95Vert
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Redsnk95
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95Vert said:
How did he manage that impressive amount of power?
$3000+ invested in the cylinder heads, and giving Kuntz A LOT of money to build a trick motor. Those super stock guys have all kinds of tricks up their sleeves...from custom cam bearings and custom cam tunnels to trick piston designs. Every lil thing helps, but when you add up a bunch of lil tricks together you come up with a nice power numbers.
Put a lot of investment, time, and expertise and you'll get a lot of power from a little bit of work, that's why you see NMRA Pure Street motors putting down 475rwhp out of a 311ci motor with AFR 165s and a .500" lift camshaft and running 10.50s.
Troy
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I'm assuming he has to driveability issues, does he? Need more info on these guys since I'll be wanting a stroker pretty soon.
Thanks Troy
Are you familiar with Untamed Racing there in Houston?
Thanks Troy
Are you familiar with Untamed Racing there in Houston?
Killercanary said:
Peak numbers are peak numbers. The whole "high numbers" when the accessories are deleted still go together. I'm sure you have seen in magazines where it says "gain 37+ horsepower with the Performer intake"...but we all know of course it is possible but it is at one particular rpm. Same goes with the accessories. It helps for sure.
Spin it over with your hand (the a/c) without the compressor 'kicked on'
and see how "very minimal" it is...it is more to the engine than your making it out to be.
I am still trying. As soon as I can get it scanned I will post it. 
Car Nut
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Grn92LX said:
Sorry so late in responding. I'm in Ft. Luaderdale/Miami on business and finally got to the Net.
Good info above. About the CHP cam: I think that their cam is the key element that makes the 347-e emissions legal. If I go with another choice, it would need to be able to pass the sniffer (in Georgia, our tests are almost as bad as California).
Heads: I will be getting Edelbrock heads that are bare, so that my local shop can prep them properly. Dumb question, but do the Edelbrock heads come with springs? IF so, they must be pretty decent. If not, then that can be addressed easily.
Headers: Like you said, the 1 3/4" shortys are pretty much a must due to the need for the catted X.
Accessories: I agree with Vibe. Plus, I live in Georgia and need AC now and then. No deletes for now.
I understand that some HP will be lost because of my emissions delima, but I'll take the punishment anyway. In the end, I want to end up with a respectable 347 built with quality in mind. From what's been stated, it looks like I'm on the right track. Hopefully this didn't stray from the topic or interest too far.
Thanks for everyone who responded. This has been a good thread.....mostly.
Car Nut
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Oh yeah.........nice graph above.
I guess the lower rpm range doesn't matter so much. Unreal how much power is gained between 3500 and 5000rpm. Very nice!
I guess the lower rpm range doesn't matter so much. Unreal how much power is gained between 3500 and 5000rpm. Very nice!
Kck6894, I appriciate you posting the graph! Looks good. You never answered me when I asked who did the head porting? Great numbers, I still feel it should do more, but 420hp is nothing to shake your head at. What has it ran at the track? How is the driveability with that N-111?
Car nut, a good custom cam can still pass smog. Just let the grinder know it needs to pass. GA isn't like Cali where you need carb stickers for mods. NY too has strict emissions, but my car hasn't seen an inspection station in years hehehe! Edelbrock heads come with springs and they can be bought bare. I would buy them complete and swap springs as needed. Your car will still do alright given the strict emissions parts and bottlenecks. I can still see 350hp. If I can help anymore, just ask!
Mike
Car nut, a good custom cam can still pass smog. Just let the grinder know it needs to pass. GA isn't like Cali where you need carb stickers for mods. NY too has strict emissions, but my car hasn't seen an inspection station in years hehehe! Edelbrock heads come with springs and they can be bought bare. I would buy them complete and swap springs as needed. Your car will still do alright given the strict emissions parts and bottlenecks. I can still see 350hp. If I can help anymore, just ask!
Mike
Grn92LX said:
I do all my own porting and engine work. They guy who does my machine work tells me how to port them and I do it. He's not a big mustang guy but he really knows his stuff. As far as the amount of power I am producing I am a little up in the air about it. Don't forget though I do run FULL street trim clear down to my ac still and it will get 20 MPG on the highway.
The N-111 doesn't have any street problems at all. It want's to surge at low RPM sometimes but I think that also has a lot ot do with the 90 MM THB and the 42lb injectors. With the engine not make lots of low end torque and hp it actually makes it a very nice set up for the street. It is actually quite mild mannered untill it sees WOT. It has a nice idle at about 1500 rpm too. The comments random people on the street are priceless!! Similar threads
