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AWD vs RWD!!! my friend an i are fighting about this

  • Thread starter Thread starter 04BLACKSVTCOBRA
  • Start date Start date Nov 18, 2007

WTF is this, im new here so i dont know what the hell this pole stuff is

  • im right, RWD is better

    Votes: 13 30.2%
  • im wrong, im a dumbass, my friend was right

    Votes: 30 69.8%

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LI98GTStang

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This recording started just a touch late, but I think you get the idea on this one. Actually it doesn't backup my vote that AWD will take a RWD from the dig, but given similiar hp levels, AWD should cut some nasty (good) 60' times.

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Mossberg

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Go buy your buddy a beer or six. He won this argument.
 
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K'Dash

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I would say AWD does not launch better than a well set up RWD car. However, it is easier to launch a AWD car. I owned a '02 Subaru Impreza for about 2 weeks. Very easy to launch.
 
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Scorcher2005

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Why does everyone always say AWD robs power and such? True, it may rob more crank hp by the time it reches the wheels...but why doesn't anyone ever grasp the concept that wheel hp = wheel hp. Say you have a 400awhp STI and a 400rwhp Mustang, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF POWER!
 

forum155pl

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sti's now have a little knob so you can move all the power to the back or the front wheels... not that it matters.. thought i would put that out there NEATO!
 

DBMSTNG

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Scorcher2005 said:
Why does everyone always say AWD robs power and such? True, it may rob more crank hp by the time it reches the wheels...but why doesn't anyone ever grasp the concept that wheel hp = wheel hp. Say you have a 400awhp STI and a 400rwhp Mustang, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF POWER!
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everyone understands that. you have to produce more flywheel hp to make the same whp which isn't always easy/cheap.
 
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Scorcher2005

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That "knob" you speak of has been out since 05...08s are out now. That was 3 years ago, catch up with the times man. And i always experimented with mine and didnt notice any difference. I always left it in auto.
 
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Scorcher2005

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DBMSTNG said:
everyone understands that. you have to produce more flywheel hp to make the same whp which isn't always easy/cheap.
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Trust me, not everyone understands that...
 

Zax

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well a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee in AWD might not.
 

forum155pl

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Scorcher2005 said:
That "knob" you speak of has been out since 05...08s are out now. That was 3 years ago, catch up with the times man. And i always experimented with mine and didnt notice any difference. I always left it in auto.
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i dont look much at other cars stuff.. and i dont knock other cars that i dont know about, so i call it good... i just thought it was nifty
 

kylebgt

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Scorcher2005 said:
Why does everyone always say AWD robs power and such? True, it may rob more crank hp by the time it reches the wheels...but why doesn't anyone ever grasp the concept that wheel hp = wheel hp. Say you have a 400awhp STI and a 400rwhp Mustang, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF POWER!
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Not true. An awd system typically has a higher drivetrain loss than a rwd or fwd vehicle. Given that two cars are exactly the same weight and crank hp the rwd will lay more hp down to the ground (where it matters)
For example a mustang with 300hp has maybe a 20% drivetrain loss which ends up being 240whp. A similar awd car with 300hp may have a 30% drivetrain loss which = 210whp. Hypothetically speaking the mustang will win because it has more hp to the wheels, but some may be lost to wheelspin.
So even if the awd car has less whp it may win in the 60' because of the traction advantage. Everything from 2nd gear on is all rwd though due to the absence of wheelspin.
 
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boratthenig

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04BLACKSVTCOBRA said:
my friend says that all wheel drive is better for launching in the drag, but i say its only good for curvy roads or tracks, and the only reason rear wheel drive is better in the drag is because it can put power into 2 big wheels, with the right amount of weight on the rear axle to hold the wheels down, and also you dont have to split the power up to each wheel. please show me that im right because i know that i am, my friend is just being stupid. i know that you can make an AWD car launch good, but no where near as good as RWD.
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buddy...
an AWD car will launch better than a RWD....stock to stock, an AWD car will always launch better than a RWD
 

bullitt_2620

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If AWD was better for drag, then NHRA top fuel, and funny car, the cars designed to do the fastest 1/4 time on the planet, would have it....If AWD was better for road racing, then Formula 1, Champ Car, LeMans, Nascar, and any other league of racing would have it...unless he wants to go rally racing, then RWD is better when you are dealing with high horsepower purpose built cars. For the street, maybe AWD is better for a dig race, but ill still take RWD over AWD anyday, point and case made
 

blackfang

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I couldn't find this thread is stupid option, so I voted for number 2

forum155pl said:
sti's now have a little knob so you can move all the power to the back or the front wheels... not that it matters.. thought i would put that out there NEATO!
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That is the DCCD
 

DBMSTNG

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kylebgt said:
Not true. An awd system typically has a higher drivetrain loss than a rwd or fwd vehicle. Given that two cars are exactly the same weight and crank hp the rwd will lay more hp down to the ground (where it matters)
For example a mustang with 300hp has maybe a 20% drivetrain loss which ends up being 240whp. A similar awd car with 300hp may have a 30% drivetrain loss which = 210whp. Hypothetically speaking the mustang will win because it has more hp to the wheels, but some may be lost to wheelspin.
So even if the awd car has less whp it may win in the 60' because of the traction advantage. Everything from 2nd gear on is all rwd though due to the absence of wheelspin.
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did you even read his post? he clearly states wheel hp to wheel hp. he concedes that the awd needs to produce more flywheel hp.
 

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fobra559 said:
Here's a good example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrP8l8NaZ9g a STI AWD vs SVT Cobra RWD from digs. Blade is a well known driver on YT(In the cobra) and knows how to race his car very well.
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ya that STI launches like a monster, but gets reeled in by the snake so easily.
 

CobraRed_96_GT

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bullitt_2620 said:
If AWD was better for drag, then NHRA top fuel, and funny car, the cars designed to do the fastest 1/4 time on the planet, would have it....If AWD was better for road racing, then Formula 1, Champ Car, LeMans, Nascar, and any other league of racing would have it...unless he wants to go rally racing, then RWD is better when you are dealing with high horsepower purpose built cars. For the street, maybe AWD is better for a dig race, but ill still take RWD over AWD anyday, point and case made
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04BLACKSVTCOBRA said:
my friend says that all wheel drive is better for launching in the drag
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come one people, at least read the first post
 
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04BLACKSVTCOBRA

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yeah but i saw vids of cobras eating evos and stis from a dead stop, they had no chance!!
 

fobra559

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04BLACKSVTCOBRA said:
yeah but i saw vids of cobras eating evos and stis from a dead stop, they had no chance!!
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Those guys in the evos and stis probably didn't know how to drive them very well.
 

fobra559

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Twista said:
ya that STI launches like a monster, but gets reeled in by the snake so easily.
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That's the best part Blade let him jump first on the third race and then walked all aver him. The guy in the STI is a good driver too though, I give him props for his launching, he's got it down pretty well.
 
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