Bad coil?

SMOKEDYA

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Jul 13, 2003
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I installed my engine in the car. It spits and sputters,and will clear out and jam after staying in the throttle.It does this every now and then and unless you get into the throttle it will keep doing it.BUT if it does this and i go threw the gears it wont do it in every gear just usually 1st and 2nd gear. I have a MSD coil on it now witch is what i had before when it was in my coupe,but this is a diffrent coil.I'm not throwing a CEL so i dont know if code reading will help?Also one thing when i was wireing up that dam haynes fan controller to my fan,i wired the yellow wire off the controller into the coil at first.Then when i would try to start the car it wouldnt.So i unwired the controller from the coil and it would start and IDOL fine then it would do what it's doing now.I never drove the car till then so i have no clue if it did it before i tried to wire the controller into the coil? The yellow wire i'm talking about off the controller is the constant power wire to it.This coil is loose in the bracket it sits in,not the bolts are loose but it almost looks like it's suppose to be molded into a bracket and thats where it's loose.peace












john:p
 
Well i could have? Thats the only thing i can think of? I'll go out tomorrow or this weekend and soder the wires back together to make sure it's a good connection. I KNOW it's nothing in the wire hiding i did and it's NOTHING to do with the motor cause all i did was pull it out of 1 car and reinstall it in another. peace

john:p
 
lol, well you saw me drive 70 miles to meet you before we swapped. it obviously ran. i wonder if that fan relay did something. gotta wait for someone smarter to reply, if it's even the coil.
 
Why do you think it's a bad coil?

Because of the fact i wired the controller into it and since it didnt start with it wired in i figured i might of done some thing to the coil in the process?Bit then like i said when it does this if you keep your foot in it it takes off.It's like it just wants to spit sputter stumble then goes.Are you thinking fuel maybe?It's got a newer 255 pump i thought it looked like a new filter,i have some lucas fuel system cleaner i cound dump threw it. peace











john:p
 
I thought you wired the controller into the windshield wiper motor.
If you connected relay terminal 30 or 87 to the coil, expect issues.


If you have constant Key-on 12V to the + side of the coil, it should be ok.

I would pull codes though. If you overloaded the VPWR circuit (what sends 12V to the coil), you could have melted a wire to a sensor and now the car is trying to run without that sensor or with a compromised component. The wire going to the + coil also goes to about every EFI hardware component (injectors, MAF, etc).
 
Hissin.......... VPWR is not the same circuit as the Coil/TFI start run voltage. Coil power is switched from the ignition switch. But it does go to the EEC relay. Were KAPWR then powers VPWR through the relay.

If VPWR was shorted, the fuse link would have blown and neither the EEC relay nor the Coil or TFI would have 12v.

You are very right on the relay though. If any one of the load wires on the relay is on the Coil +. You will likely have a mis-fire when the fan is kicked on and drawing amps.
 
Joe, thank you for the correction. I mistakenly remembered the coil being on the Normally-Open side of the EEC relay. My bad.
 
Hissin.......... VPWR is not the same circuit as the Coil/TFI start run voltage. Coil power is switched from the ignition switch. But it does go to the EEC relay. Were KAPWR then powers VPWR through the relay.

If VPWR was shorted, the fuse link would have blown and neither the EEC relay nor the Coil or TFI would have 12v.

You are very right on the relay though. If any one of the load wires on the relay is on the Coil +. You will likely have a mis-fire when the fan is kicked on and drawing amps.

I dont have the relay wired into the fan now (see previous thread about this)i have it running to a switch now.BUT when i did have it wired threw the coil like i stated all the car would do is crank and nothing.Now it starts and everything fine except every now and then (and often) it spits and sputters,it almost acts like a carbed car would when it hick ups,then goes.When it does this if i keep a consistant throttle it dosent get better or worst.It only gets better when i floor it then it takes off like normal after a sec.What about O2 sencers?I have a thread on here about them also?Could they cause it? When i wired in the relay to the coil i used a butt connector.When i disconnected the relay from the coil all i did was cut off the wire that was running to the relay.I know whats left sticking out of the connection isnt touching anything but i was thinking today i should cut the connecter out and solder the ends of the coil wire back together. peace











john:p
 
A convenient place to draw switched 12 volts for a relay coil is the red wire on any of the smog gear solenoids or controls. The relay coil draws so little current that it would not have any adverse effects on any of the other items that share the same power source. Just don't try to use it to supply power to run the fan, you'll overload the circuit. The red wire is only energized when the ignition switch is in the Run position.

As advised, dump the codes. A bad coil won't set a code, but there are other things that can cause the problem you describe.

Dumping The computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 19-May-2009 to update drawing for dumping the codes on 86-88 Mustangs with no check engine light.

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

See Troublcodes.net Trouble Codes OBD & OBD2 Trouble Codes and Technical info & Tool Store. By BAT Auto Technical

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If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
 
Heres what i cam up with from a little thiking back to the late 80's and with a little help from liljoe07 from another thread i have on here. When i was in school my buddy had a fiero,well it started to do the samething my car is/was doing.So he ran the codes on the fiero cause his CEL was on (mine wasent tho).And come to find out the O2's were bad.So i wasent 100% sure i had the O2's hooked up right,so today i swapped them and sure as **** it's like new again.So thanks everyone for all the help!Espically liljoe07 for your suggestions in my other thread! Now WTF with my blinkers? (i have a thread on that also) but those will have to wait till monday :( peace








john:p