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hi guys what is the best combo heads-cam. for stock 302 injection. (lx hatchback 1991) to get more hp ?
 

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Any of them will get you more hp, the trick to picking a heads/cam combination is a plan:
What you intend to do with the car, cruiser/street - strip / auto cross
Trans type, rear gear, intake, all play a roll in the decision.
 

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more a street car add a 100hp . keeping the t5 transmission and the 8.8 with 3.73. about the lower and higher intake i dont know if i can keep the stock one
 

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Just do a kit and call it a day

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...4709925797&utm_content=Trick+Flow+Specialties
 
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The BEST can mean a lot of things. The BEST with no regard for money would be to call Ed Curtis at FTI. What is your budget?
 

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i just want to change the heads cam intake to have more quick did you guys try the gt40 head with the gt40 intake and stock cam. if yes how many hp can i get ?
 

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can the gt40 intake lower and upper breed more than a stock 5.0 ho from mustang 1991?
 

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what about a good edelbrock head whit 1.6 roller rocker a good cam to drive it and for the lower and upper intake. the gt40 from explorer
??
 

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Whats your budget?
 

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around 2000 -2500 $$
 

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Far too many people put a dab of this and a dollop of that, and then wonder why the car doesn't run worth beans. Then they think off the shelf computer chips will fix their mismatched parts problem. It won't

You have to have a plan for what kind of performance you want: Hot street. Street/Strip, Pure strip, Autocross or Road course. Each one requires a different strategy and a different set of components.. Mismatch the components and you’ll have a car that falls flat on its face when you demand performance.

Everyone thinks HP! HP! HP! and thinks that peak HP is what they need. Peak HP is great for a drag strip car when it has the proper gears and tires to get the car up into the high RPM range where it develops that high peak HP near the finish line. On a street car, that strategy will have Honda Accords outrunning you, because you will never get the engine RPMs high enough without running over everything in your path.

Here’ the strategy: Always remember that there are some tradeoffs in any engine combination. Most of us don’t have enough money to “have it all” as if it was possible by some masterful combination of parts and tuning.

The following recommendations are for 5 Speed Manual transmission cars without NO2 or pressurized induction, stock short block.

1.) Hot street: Broad flat torque curve, high velocity airflow in the intake and heads for best throttle response. Gears suitable for reasonable gas mileage and long road trips without excessive engine RPMs. Stand on the gas pedal from a rolling start to squeeze into that gap in traffic in front of you, and it jumps quick and hard to get you there. Max RPM’s are 5200-5500 RPM for best power. Lopey cams may sound cool, but run poorly in a low RPM street environment.
Use stock cam, stock, GT40 or mildly ported stock heads, Cobra or Explorer/GT40 intake, advanced timing, stock 19 lb injectors, stock fuel pump. Use some good 1.6 or 1.7 ratio roller rockers for extra punch. Use a King Cobra clutch, with stock iron or steel billet flywheel. MAF cars can use a 65 MM TB from the Explorer intake manifold and a 70MM MAF from a 94-95 Mustang. Drive train: 3:55 gears with soft tread compound tires. Use some Ford Racing unequal length headers, stock 2 1/4” cat pipe and some mufflers that don’t drone or get too much attention from the law enforcement or neighbors. The stock computer will handle all this with no problems and doesn’t need any help in 90% of the cases. No skinny or grossly undersize tires for the front: remember you still have to stop quickly in traffic. Make sure all the rubber bushings in the front and rear suspensions are in first class shape. Leave the emissions equipment intact and working. Removing or disabling it won’t get you any more HP or performance. Do not convert to carb or remove A/C: either one will reduce the resale value. Carb conversions cannot be titled for street use or get tags in some places. They definitely won’t pass smog inspections.

Street/strip: A little more slope to the torque curve with a gently sloping peak. Use slightly larger port volumes on intake and heads for more peak HP. Uses 3.55 or 3.73 gears to get the RPM’s up into a higher range quicker. Be prepared to sacrifice some low RPM throttle response in exchange for high RPM power. This by necessity will be a Mass Air or Mass Air conversion on 86-88 5.0 Mustangs, since stock speed density will not run well with the changes in engine airflow. Don’t get too crazy on any one engine part since you still have to drive the car on the street, and a mismatch can make street driving miserable.
Use stock or mild aftermarket cam, Ported GT 40, or 165-180 CC port volume aftermarket aluminum heads. Use a Trick Flow, Edelbrock Performer or equal intake manifold. Take a 73 MM aftermarket MAF calibrated for 24 lb injectors, and 24 lb injectors, 155 LPH fuel pump, Kirban adjustable fuel pressure regulator. Be prepared to shell out some $$$ for a custom burned chip using data gathered from a dyno run. Mass market chips will not get the job done. Use some Ford Racing unequal length headers, aftermarket 2 1/2” cat pipe and some mufflers that don’t drone or get too much attention from the law enforcement or neighbors. Drivetrain: expect the stock T5 to fail, so save your money for a super duty 5 speed trans. Tremec 3550, TKO 500 & TKO 600 are the best choices. Different gears in a stock T5 case work for some, but there is only so much power you can pass through a T5 in race mode before it breaks, even with stronger gears. Next are the Chassis mods: full length subframe connectors, different springs, different shocks, aftermarket lower and upper control arms with rubber or urethane bushings. Buy all the parts from someplace like Maximum Motorsports, Griggs or Steeda as a kit so that you know that all the parts fit and don’t argue with each other. Carry spare tires and wheels for the drag strip: skinnys for the front and drag radials for the rear. No skinnys for street driving! Over 85% of the breaking power is generated by the front tires, so skinnys won’t do the job in a panic stop situation. Disconnect the front anti-roll bar at the strip; reconnect it before you drive home. Leave the emissions equipment intact and working. Removing or disabling it won’t get you any more HP or performance. Do not convert to carb or remove A/C: either one will reduce the resale value. Carb conversions cannot be titled for street use or get tags in some places. They definitely won’t pass smog inspections.

Strip only: High RPM, High flow heads (185-215 CC port volume), wild cam, high flow intake manifold, 70 MM or larger TB, 80 MM or lager MAF, strip everything out of the car that doesn’t make it go faster. Carbs are OK if that’s what you want, but remember that as the temp/humidity/ barometric pressure/altitude changes, you have to re-jet and readjust the carb. EFI eliminates most of that with its built in compensation or you can tune of the fly with a high end Motes or Tweecer system combined with a wide band air/fuel ratio meter. Use custom headers, dumps and minimal mufflers. How fast you can go on 5 liters is a function of the skill level of the driver/mechanic and the size of your wallet.

TRAILER the car to the race track since it won’t be legal to drive it on the street. Drag slicks in the rear, skinnys up front, use 3.73 or bigger gears (4.xx) in the rear axle. Since you won’t be driving on long trips, the big gears with work with the high RPM power curve to get the best results. Drivetrain: TKO 500 & TKO 600 are the best choices. Different gears in a stock T5 case work for some, but there is only so much power you can pass through a T5 in race mode before it breaks, even with stronger gears. Next are the Chassis mods: full length subframe connectors, different springs, different shocks, aftermarket lower and upper control arms with rubber or urethane bushings. Buy all the parts from someplace like Maximum Motorsports, Griggs or Steeda as a kit so that you know that all the parts fit and don’t argue with each other. Remove the front sway bar, put an airbag in the rear spring of the side that spins the tire the most. Plan on a roll cage if you are truly serious about going fast: most strips will require it once you get to a certain ET range.

Autocross is a combination of Hot street engine and street strip chassis prep. The engine must accelerate quickly from low RPM and needs a broad, flat torque curve. Next are the Chassis mods: full length subframe connectors, different springs, different shocks, aftermarket lower and upper control arms with rubber or urethane bushings. Buy all the parts from someplace like Maximum Motorsports, Griggs or Steeda as a kit so that you know that all the parts fit and don’t argue with each other. Most of the time you’ll never hit third gear, so some 3.73 or bigger gears (4.xx) may help a lot. You’ll have to spend some more money on brakes since it kills brakes quickly. Rear disks, larger rotors up front, stainless steel brake lines, different brake pads. A 87-88 T Bird Turbo Coupe or SN 95 rear axle will be your best bet. Autocross will severely strain 1st & 2nd gears, so your T5 may take a premature dump. Save your money for a super duty 5 speed trans. Tremec 3550, TKO 500 & TKO 600 are the best choices.

All out road race is the most difficult of all: an engine that will run at high rpm hour after hour and never fail, yet pull hard out of the hairpin turns that will require a lot of torque at lower RPMs. In my opinion, guys that can successfully build a winning road race engine are the cream of the crop. Top this off with a chassis built for strip only duty, but with changes to the settings of springs, tires, roll bars brakes and shocks. It’s a whole other world of racing.
You’ll have to spend lots more money on brakes since it kills brakes quickly. Rear disks, larger rotors up front, stainless steel brake lines, different brake pads. Air ducting to cool the brake rotors will be a must. The brake rotors of cars on a high speed road course glow red after several hard laps of racing. Drivetrain: TKO 500 & TKO 600, and T56 close ratio are the best transmission choices.

See http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mufp-0610-engine-building-mistakes/ for some excellent engine building advice.
 
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lxhatch91 said:
around 2000 -2500 $$
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Seriously, save up maybe $500 more for gaskets, fluids and misc items like new lifters and just go with this

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...4709925797&utm_content=Trick+Flow+Specialties


You can spend $2K putting together a 275 rwHP GT40-headed combo together, or spend a bit more and put something together that puts down 300-325 rwhp instead.

Of course, that doesn't take into consideration items like fuel upgrades, transmission limitations, etc. You should really sit down, put a list together of all your necessary mods and see if it fits within your budget. Even if you go with GT40 heads, you might have to invest a little money into them at a machine ship, with new springs and valve job and by the time you spend that money, you could have purchased a decent set of Al heads.

My recommendation...research, research research, and then buy.
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
Seriously, save up maybe $500 more for gaskets, fluids and misc items like new lifters and just go with this

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...4709925797&utm_content=Trick+Flow+Specialties
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Just buy this kit and upgrade the injectors, mass air meter and fuel pump
 

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I did the Trick Flow kit for a performance increase and also for it's simplicity,, but unfortunately it didn't end with 2,600 bucks. Bigger throttle body,, Maf, injectors and since it was all apart then came water pump, 3 row radiator, lifters, headers and I'm probably forgetting something, point is once you take them apart it's hard to keep yourself from blowing the budget.
 

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Jersey Joe said:
I did the Trick Flow kit for a performance increase and also for it's simplicity,, but unfortunately it didn't end with 2,600 bucks. Bigger throttle body,, Maf, injectors and since it was all apart then came water pump, 3 row radiator, lifters, headers and I'm probably forgetting something, point is once you take them apart it's hard to keep yourself from blowing the budget.
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If you don't mind, figure up what you spent and share it with the rest of us who have dreams but no money...
If I had the money my wife spent on the yard/garden and 3 closets jam packed with clothes I'd have the most WOW Fox 5.0 Mustang around...
 
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Every time I spend money on my car I always think of what it would cost to buy a new one,
then I add another 'something' to the shopping cart!
I have approximately $3500 invested in my junk and 50k miles of beating the snot out of it.
 
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I built mine with stuff out of the junkyard.
 
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and I'd bet I have one of the most expensive fairmonts on the planet.
 
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jrichker said:
If you don't mind, figure up what you spent and share it with the rest of us who have dreams but no money...
If I had the money my wife spent on the yard/garden and 3 closets jam packed with clothes I'd have the most WOW Fox 5.0 Mustang around...
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Purchased all of this about two years ago, I didn't necessarily need to replace everything but if it was coming off I was putting new back on. It was just over 4,000 bucks. Btw this was taken in my basement, my wife never would of let me do this in the kitchen haha.

 
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