• Mustang Forums
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech

Blown Guys- Which Radiator You Running?

  • Thread starter Thread starter mikestang63
  • Start date Start date Aug 20, 2016
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
Next
First Prev 2 of 3 Next Last
F

FastSVO

Founding Member
Jun 28, 1999
193
3
18
Los Angeles
Aug 25, 2016
#21
  • Aug 25, 2016
  • #21
mikestang63 said:
Eh.. dunno. It's been 95 degrees down here and after about 15-20 minutes of driving it's getting up to 195-200 on the autometer gauge... even at highway speed it's around 195... Even though it's not overheating, it's filling up theaftermarket overflow and sometimes overflowing.. I have a mr. gasket thermo rad cap, and it will read 180 and the gauge will read 195. I know the exlporer intakes tend to run hotter than the stock ones. Also if I turn off the car and turn it back on, the temp on the gauge may jump 10 degrees. Could be the sending unit not far down enough or not grounded well ( too much teflon paste on the threads)
.
Click to expand...

Which thermostat are you running?
 

mikestang63

SN Certified Technician
Aug 27, 2012
11,606
8,859
214
In the garage
Aug 25, 2016
#22
  • Aug 25, 2016
  • #22
FastSVO said:
Which thermostat are you running?
Click to expand...

Why. that has no impact on how hot the car runs. It's a 180
 
F

FastSVO

Founding Member
Jun 28, 1999
193
3
18
Los Angeles
Aug 25, 2016
#23
  • Aug 25, 2016
  • #23
True. Just curious as I am comparing it to my setup. I run the same thermostat.

Just thinking if I should make my life easier and go with the 2 row champion. I can't seem to find a 3 row or 2 row with a 1" tubes that is at or below under 2" thick.

Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk
 

mikestang63

SN Certified Technician
Aug 27, 2012
11,606
8,859
214
In the garage
Aug 25, 2016
#24
  • Aug 25, 2016
  • #24
FastSVO said:
True. Just curious as I am comparing it to my setup. I run the same thermostat.

Just thinking if I should make my life easier and go with the 2 row champion. I can't seem to find a 3 row or 2 row with a 1" tubes that is at or below under 2" thick.

Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

yep. that is why I went with it... $150 and its all aluminum welded with a lifetime warranty. tubes are 1" thick vs. others that are 5/8" or 3/4" unless you get a Ron Davis or Be Cool for $600. granted it was before I put the V3 on.

195-200 is not overheating again.....fairly certain the problem is I bought too small an overflow and the stock airdeflector is bending, not to mention the 95+ degree heat and humdity.
 

Gearbanger 101

Straight Outta Locash
20+ Year Stangneter
Aug 10, 2002
9,457
1,377
234
Ontario, Canada
Aug 25, 2016
#25
  • Aug 25, 2016
  • #25
mikestang63 said:
195-200 is not overheating again.....fairly certain the problem is I bought too small an overflow and the stock airdeflector is bending, not to mention the 95+ degree heat and humdity.
Click to expand...

You mean the exact same overflow tank that I bought on your recommendation?
 

TOOLOW91

If you're the village idiot what's that make me?
20+ Year Stangneter
Nov 29, 1999
8,483
8,687
234
S.I.NY
Aug 26, 2016
#26
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #26
Gearbanger 101 said:
You mean the exact same overflow tank that I bought on your recommendation?
Click to expand...


I have the same over flow . This was cruising in 98 degree heat in myrtle beach




Sent from my iPhone using my fingers while my auto correct makes me seem illiterate
 

Gearbanger 101

Straight Outta Locash
20+ Year Stangneter
Aug 10, 2002
9,457
1,377
234
Ontario, Canada
Aug 26, 2016
#27
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #27
So what you're saying, is that Mikes car is just destined to be a problem child.
 

TOOLOW91

If you're the village idiot what's that make me?
20+ Year Stangneter
Nov 29, 1999
8,483
8,687
234
S.I.NY
Aug 26, 2016
#28
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #28
Gearbanger 101 said:
So what you're saying, is that Mikes car is just destined to be a problem child.
Click to expand...
I mean your not getting into boost in that nasty ass weather without it creeping . On a a hour and 55 min highway drive it runs about 196-200 in that weather . There is just no heat transfer in high 90s when the feel is over 100.

But cruising is no issue . Soon as the temp breaks to normal temps outside . Game on !



Sent from my iPhone using my fingers while my auto correct makes me seem illiterate
 

Noobz347

Stangnet Facilities Maint Tech... Er... Janitor
Admin Dude
Jan 4, 1985
43,085
21,268
234
Box behind Walmart
Aug 26, 2016
#29
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #29
I kind of skimmed through a lot of this so forgive me if this has already been covered:

The t-stat has nothing to do with system temp:
If the cooling system is up to the task, then the t-stat will most certainly have an effect. With the t-stat wide open, if the car is not adequately cooling, then this of course, is not a t-stat problem.

Hot hot weather and.... er, humidity:
Radiators don't sweat (if yours does, there's your problem ). Real feel doesn't mean anything to a cooling system. 95 degrees is 95 degrees when the evaporation of water from a warm surface is not a factor.

Mike: Are you still running the OEM chin spoiler? If not, try installing one that is the width of the radiator and 2 to 3 inches tall. Get on the highway and check for a difference. If you're running any kind of inductive cowl, this should help quite a bit. The more negative air pressure that you create behind the radiator, the more airflow you're going to get while you're moving.

I would try this first before tossing bigger this or that, into the equation. You may even notice that the front end doesn't lift as much when you're going down the road at (1)55.

Just for chits and grins, can you post an image of your hood and the front of your car? Also...
 

mikestang63

SN Certified Technician
Aug 27, 2012
11,606
8,859
214
In the garage
Aug 26, 2016
#30
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #30
yeah noobz- it may be just me

Car wil be fine and the temp starts creeping up after 15 min from 180 to 195. On highway speed sometimes it will come down a bit, in hotter weather stays at 195 ish.

I ordered an aluminum replacement air deflector.
I have a ram air hood with a 1.5" cowl

I've owned several Vortech cars and this is the first one that I'm scratching my head on.

as requested.................
 
Reactions: a91what and Noobz347

TOOLOW91

If you're the village idiot what's that make me?
20+ Year Stangneter
Nov 29, 1999
8,483
8,687
234
S.I.NY
Aug 26, 2016
#31
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #31
mikestang63 said:
yeah noobz- it may be just me

Car wil be fine and the temp starts creeping up after 15 min from 180 to 195. On highway speed sometimes it will come down a bit, in hotter weather stays at 195 ish.

I ordered an aluminum replacement air deflector.
I have a ram air hood with a 1.5" cowl

I've owned several Vortech cars and this is the first one that I'm scratching my head on.

as requested.................
Click to expand...


So purty


Sent from my iPhone using my fingers while my auto correct makes me seem illiterate
 
Reactions: mikestang63
F

FastSVO

Founding Member
Jun 28, 1999
193
3
18
Los Angeles
Aug 26, 2016
#32
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #32
Nice car!

I run a 4" cowl so hopefully that is helping a bit.

I am at a cross roads where I can modify the stock shroud (e fans wont fit w/ this rad) and keep this thicker radiator of mine OR try to get Champion to exchange it for a 2 row model where the stock and any future electric fan will work w/o any clearance issues.
 
Reactions: mikestang63

Noobz347

Stangnet Facilities Maint Tech... Er... Janitor
Admin Dude
Jan 4, 1985
43,085
21,268
234
Box behind Walmart
Aug 26, 2016
#33
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #33
mikestang63 said:
yeah noobz- it may be just me

Car wil be fine and the temp starts creeping up after 15 min from 180 to 195. On highway speed sometimes it will come down a bit, in hotter weather stays at 195 ish.

I ordered an aluminum replacement air deflector.
I have a ram air hood with a 1.5" cowl

I've owned several Vortech cars and this is the first one that I'm scratching my head on.

as requested.................
Click to expand...


The last time I chased this problem, it was on a car with a hood very much like that one (if not that very one. Stormin' Normin' hood?).

Is there some way that you can block the ports from the underside, without screwing it all up? All of the air volume that SUPPOSED to be going through your radiator and then under the car is taking the path of least resistance. Guess...






Edit: LOVE the pics BTW. Super sharp.
 
Reactions: mikestang63

JD1964

there is enough sticking out to grab on to
15 Year Member
Jun 28, 2013
3,437
1,525
194
Maryland
Aug 26, 2016
#34
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #34
Very nice looking car Mike! That's a fiberglass hood, right? That does not help with cooling. Steel hoods radiate heat out of the engine compartment. The fiberglass is a very poor material for heat transfer. Any openings in the cowl probably dont even make up for the lack of ability for fiberglass to radiate heat.

Feel a steel hood with a hot engine compared to a fiberglass one. You'll notice how much hotter the steel hood is. That is heat transferred through the metal hood to the outside of the engine compartment. It's one of the reasons Corvettes run hotter, especially the old school ones. Heat all trapped and cant radiate through fiberglass body.
 
Last edited: Aug 26, 2016
Reactions: mikestang63

Noobz347

Stangnet Facilities Maint Tech... Er... Janitor
Admin Dude
Jan 4, 1985
43,085
21,268
234
Box behind Walmart
Aug 26, 2016
#35
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #35
I don't honestly think that the material that the hood is made from is going to help dissipate heat from a running motor.

Maybe if we had a metal hood attached to the motor through a layer of thermal paste?
 

JD1964

there is enough sticking out to grab on to
15 Year Member
Jun 28, 2013
3,437
1,525
194
Maryland
Aug 26, 2016
#36
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #36
Well, heat dissipation is heat dissipation, period. A 5 degree diff on the hotter days maybe, maybe not. It might just be multiple smaller factors adding up, of which lower heat dissipation through body panels is part of the equation.

Is the block punched out? Thinner cylinder walls will transfer more heat to the coolant. What about the ignition timing curve in the tune? Boosted applications usually get treated to retarded perameters in the tune. Retarded timing can increase engine temps.

A little here, a little there and there. It adds up.
 
Last edited: Aug 26, 2016

mikestang63

SN Certified Technician
Aug 27, 2012
11,606
8,859
214
In the garage
Aug 26, 2016
#37
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #37
Noobz347 said:
The last time I chased this problem, it was on a car with a hood very much like that one (if not that very one. Stormin' Normin' hood?).

Is there some way that you can block the ports from the underside, without screwing it all up? All of the air volume that SUPPOSED to be going through your radiator and then under the car is taking the path of least resistance. Guess...






Edit: LOVE the pics BTW. Super sharp.
Click to expand...

Thanks man... I call it the money pit.

Eh. you want me to plug what? Not sure how plugging off them would impact air from under the car going through the radiator? . Wouldnt that make the underhood temps hotter. I installed the new Alum air damn.. Much stiffer than the stock one and sticks down about an inch more... The new larger overflow--- uh yeah slight problem.. the damn thing is too large it wont fit and I also had a bracket welded on to the side of the radiator with tabs that fit the existing overflow.I'd have to remove the E fan to get access to the bolts that hold on the overflow.. plus I have a chrome lower rad hose that the larger overflow may hit.... Before i dig in and remove the fan. hose, fab up new brackets,,,,, I'll take it for a spin with the new air deflector,
 

mikestang63

SN Certified Technician
Aug 27, 2012
11,606
8,859
214
In the garage
Aug 26, 2016
#38
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #38
John Dirks Jr said:
Very nice looking car Mike! That's a fiberglass hood, right? That does not help with cooling. Steel hoods radiate heat out of the engine compartment. The fiberglass is a very poor material for heat transfer. Any openings in the cowl probably dont even make up for the lack of ability for fiberglass to radiate heat.

Feel a steel hood with a hot engine compared to a fiberglass one. You'll notice how much hotter the steel hood is. That is heat transferred through the metal hood to the outside of the engine compartment. It's one of the reasons Corvettes run hotter, especially the old school ones. Heat all trapped and cant radiate through fiberglass body.
Click to expand...

Thanks JOhn for the compliment but I've never heard that about fiberglass vs steel hoods. My thought is the steel absorbs the heat more than the fiberglass, not transfers it better. The hotter steel hood would make the underhood temps higher, wouldn't it?

Have a custom diablo tune tha is very conservative... 10 base timing and we pulled back on the total timing to keep it safe.. I could have left it more agressive and another 60hp.
 
Reactions: JD1964

JD1964

there is enough sticking out to grab on to
15 Year Member
Jun 28, 2013
3,437
1,525
194
Maryland
Aug 26, 2016
#39
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #39
mikestang63 said:
Thanks JOhn for the compliment but I've never heard that about fiberglass vs steel hoods. My thought is the steel absorbs the heat more than the fiberglass, not transfers it better. The hotter steel hood would make the underhood temps higher, wouldn't it?

Have a custom diablo tune tha is very conservative... 10 base timing and we pulled back on the total timing to keep it safe.. I could have left it more agressive and another 60hp.
Click to expand...

Steel absorbs the heat under the hood then radiates it outside of the engine compartment. I'm not saying that every car with a fiberglass hood is going to run hotter. But any setup on the borderline of cooling capacity can show differences from little things.

The retarded total timing might add a little heat too.
 

90sickfox

Wasn't a pretty sight...and I've got big hands
SN Certified Technician
Mar 2, 2015
6,945
5,816
213
Aug 26, 2016
#40
  • Aug 26, 2016
  • #40
John Dirks Jr said:
Steel absorbs the heat under the hood then radiates it outside of the engine compartment. I'm not saying that every car with a fiberglass hood is going to run hotter. But any setup on the borderline of cooling capacity can show differences from little things.

The retarded total timing might add a little heat too.
Click to expand...
I've pondered the cowl hood thing before. The back of my 2in cowl would get so hot it would distort my cowl vent. Timing was at 12 degrees...fuel stayed stoich 14.7 ....leaned a bit under full throttle....temp stayed around 190.

These cars were designed to suck air out through the trans tunnel....maybe cowl hoods create a drop in pressure at the firewall. Fiberglass is an awesome insulator ( heat wrap ). That factory mat under the hood....yup fiberglass.

If cowls were so great maybe manufacturers would use them on everything.

When my car is done I'll gladly be the test dummy.
 
Reactions: JD1964
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
Next
First Prev 2 of 3 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

J
For Sale MASTER LISTING: Abandoned '66 Mustang Restomod Part-Out (Wilwood, Ididit, Quick Performance, Mishimoto)
  • JasonB66
  • Thursday at 2:26 PM
  • Suspension
Replies
0
Views
39
Suspension Thursday at 2:26 PM
JasonB66
J
SN95 The Unicorn
  • HANO Motorsports
  • May 18, 2025
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • 2
Replies
21
Views
1K
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Aug 15, 2025
HANO Motorsports
S
Engine Radiator From Amazon
  • Swhitney
  • May 17, 2021
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
3
Views
1K
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech May 21, 2021
2000xp8
SN Mustang Magnum T56 swap
  • revhead347
  • May 24, 2024
  • 1994 - 1995 Specific Tech
Replies
15
Views
6K
1994 - 1995 Specific Tech Jun 28, 2026
GearHeadGuy
P
2018 Rims on 1965 Mustang
  • PsuedoCode
  • Nov 15, 2021
  • 1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk-
Replies
0
Views
2K
1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk- Nov 15, 2021
PsuedoCode
P
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?