Call to Fabricators, clutch pedal 68 69

dbfarr · Feb 20, 2007

Why are we paying 200 - 400 dollars for pedal assemblies off eBay?

This board has a number of fabricators, why doesn't somebody start making clutch pedals.

Yes, I know about modern driveline and their 68 pedal for 135$. Isn't that a little steep?

What about the unfortunates with 69/70 car (like a friend of mine)?

I know, I know, I'm cheap. Still, many people are making their own hydraulic clutch kits for 150. So, how about a 68 or 69 pedal for say, 90$ Would that be enough for a small operation to still make money?

I see a lot of griping about Chebbie performance parts being cheaper, maybe that's because few try to compete on the Ford parts.

Just a thought. BTW, I'll buy a prototype...

zookeeper · Feb 20, 2007

People pay big money for '67-'68 clutch assemblies because of a total lack of patience. I have about $80 in mine. By waiting and looking for a couple months, I picked up a nice clutch pedal for $65 off ebay. That was $58 plus $7 shipping. The very next week I found a manual trans brake pedal for $10 on ebay with $5 shipping. The hanger for all pedal assemblies is the same, even the holes for the clutch assist hook are there. I borrowed a clutch assist spring hook and made a copy for free at work. It took less than an hour and it's identical in every way. I got a spring for free from the same freind who loaned me the bracket and that was it. I bead-blasted the pedals and painted them to look original (bare metal at the top) with some satin black acrylic enamel I had in the garage.
It did take a long time, and towards the end, I was about to just pay what they were going for on ebay and be done with it, but I'm glad I didn't. Most of the big-dollar assemblies on ebay are for power brakes anyway. The pivot point is much higher on a power brake pedal, so if that's what you want, be ready to fork out some money, I wanted manual brakes anyway, so I got away cheaper.
Being a machinist, I also thought about borrowing my buddy's clutch pedal and making a copy. That idea went in the tank when I looked it it. They have several bends, and would require at least a couple man-hours even if I had a fixture already fabbed up. I figured my time wasn't worth it, even if I had to pay $100 for a decent used pedal.
There are just too many pedals out there to be paying huge money for them, or trying to fab your own. Remember, Cougars used the same pedal assembly and there are probably more cars than that, since Ford typically uses common parts wherever they can.

ratio411 · Feb 20, 2007

I say just make make from what ya got.
I hybrid a set of 65-66 pedals into a Maverick automatic pedal support.
A little cut, a little weld, here and there... done. 75 Maverick with 66 pedals and 70 Stang wide ratio Toploader. Bye-bye C4!

dbfarr · Feb 20, 2007

zookeeper said:
People pay big money for '67-'68 clutch assemblies because of a total lack of patience.

I've been looking for 1 1/2 months now. The project is some ways off still, so I have time.

It's just really frustrating watching pedal assemblies go for 400$ !!I just need the pedal.!!

My setup is already power, so cut the pad with an angle grinder and call it a day.

As far as welding, thas gone be 'while. At least till I live in a house and not some lousy university apartment.

Trust me, I'd rather start welding. Having been a service writer for two years, it's much more satisfying to do things my self. Even if it takes lots of time. Sigh, not yet.

Still, the whole thing seems ridiculous. I am really sick of eBay!! Already got burned on a timing chain.

'Sides, a friend of mine is looking for a 69 pedal as well.

Still, if anyone is up to the challenge. Someone decided to make the 68 pedal, they are being sold. I believe Mustang Steve is making the 64-66 pedals.

Max Power · Feb 21, 2007

A friend of mine works in product development at NPD and I asked the same question. Liability issues was the answer.

Making a clutch pedal "set" involves the brake pedal, and nobody wants the risk.

I know it can be worked around, but clearly the profits don't outweigh the negatives at this point.

68stang351 · Feb 21, 2007

I have a friend that put a T5 into a--- (haha) Mustang II that was an automatic, and he just made his own clutch pedal. Just with a little cutting and welding. It might have took him maybe half an hour. As for the brake pedal, he took a grinder and cut t down, to the size and shape as one for a standard car. When he was done, he bought a new set of pedal pads, and it all looked factory.

BlackGMC · Feb 21, 2007

This is what I plan on using in my 70 mustang. The factory pedals are CRAP, IMO. I have had some many problems with the bushings, rods and all the factory crap. So here it is.

Only $197, cheap for a well built part.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=WIL-340-3950&N=700+115&autoview=sku

xoxbxfx · Feb 21, 2007

MustangSteve is in the works for a 67/68 pedal assembly. Hes already got the 65-66. He plans on doing the 69-70 after

10secgoal · Feb 21, 2007

Dang, we only sell them for 150 bucks. Guess the owner here is not totaled overpriced, on one thing anyways. Maybe we should look at ebay.

dbfarr · Feb 21, 2007

BlackGMC said:
This is what I plan on using in my 70 mustang. The factory pedals are CRAP, IMO. I have had some many problems with the bushings, rods and all the factory crap. So here it is.

Only $197, cheap for a well built part.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=WIL-340-3950&N=700+115&autoview=sku

Where does this mount? Under the steering column?

ratio411 · Feb 21, 2007

Neat stuff.
On the Summit site, they all say something about they are to be used with Wildwood brake systems, but I guess linkage can be adapted to anything...
There are several styles too, not just the one in the previous pic.
This one has enough holes forward to look like it could totally bypass any involvement with the pedal support...
Just bolt it to the firewall.

ratio411 · Feb 21, 2007

Looks like a cool setup, but will those Wildwood masters work stock stuff, or do you have to convert to Wildwood discs on the wheels too?
Another thing, all of the Wildwood kits I have seen are listed for either lightweight cars or racing use only. So I would question the ability of the masters to safely/reliably operate long term with the stock calipers and such. Am I wrong?
Dave

BlackGMC · Feb 21, 2007

dbfarr said:
Where does this mount? Under the steering column?

+

Here are the mounting instructions I found. I also plan on using their master cylnders for brakes and the clutch. I have not measured yet but I think they will fit.

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/instructions/340-3950.pdf

ultrastang · Feb 21, 2007

Max Power said:
A friend of mine works in product development at NPD and I asked the same question. Liability issues was the answer.

Making a clutch pedal "set" involves the brake pedal, and nobody wants the risk.

I know it can be worked around, but clearly the profits don't outweigh the negatives at this point.

That's nuts! They'll sell disc brake conversions but not manufacture and sell a brake pedal?? Which one is the most likely to be a potential liability here? People (big companies and small) are producing all sorts of restomod components that have way more risks than a simple clutch/brake pedal. Their response was lame. --That's my 2.5-cents worth on that.

www.ultrastang.com

dbfarr · Feb 21, 2007

ultrastang said:
That's nuts! They'll sell disc brake conversions but not manufacture and sell a brake pedal?? Which one is the most likely to be a potential liability here? People (big companies and small) are producing all sorts of restomod components that have way more risks than a simple clutch/brake pedal. Their response was lame. --That's my 2.5-cents worth on that.

I said something similar on my post in another forum:

Sure, there is risk in going to market with a fabricated product. But many do it; Opentracker, Randy, and many, many, others. How much safer is a 40 year old piece of crap formerly rotting in some field anyway?

Really, I don't even need the brake pedal. I'll just cut mine down like bottlefed70 did. I just need the clutch pedal. Why would I replace the whole assembly, one which comes from a car that got some love over the years, with some rusting nightmare from a field?

A t-5 can be had for 300$ plus shipping on any number of forums. A transmission people, a complex piece of machinery. The freakin' pedal shouldn't cost nearly as much as the transmission! It is, after all, just a piece of metal. A piece of metal with fewer mechanical tolerance requirements than my TOASTER!!!!

BB1966 · Feb 21, 2007

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967...200081099922QQihZ010QQitemZ200081099922QQrdZ1

dbfarr · Feb 21, 2007

BB1966 said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967...200081099922QQihZ010QQitemZ200081099922QQrdZ1

Yeah, I'm lookin' out for that one. Still, the bidding is up to 28.50 and the reserve is not met.

Gee, its been sandblasted and hit with a rattle can. It's purdy, bet that reserve is at least 100$.

ForceFed70 · Feb 21, 2007

I agree, we just need the pedal.

The only help I can offer is that the 69 and 70 clutch pedals appear to be identical. The pedal assemblies are different, but the pedals are the same.

Keep looking on ebay. I got lucky...found a 69 pedal with a $39.99 "Buy it now" price.

Pakrat · Feb 21, 2007

I just can't help but be amazed that auto's outsold manuals by a huge amount back in the day but now everyone wants to convert. It's stupifying! Seems I chose the easier route of waiting to come across the right car that already was a standard than trying to find just the clutch pedal. This does seem to be an opportunity just begging to picked from the tree, I only wish I had the resources.

57fairlane · Feb 22, 2007

I think that is the key when looking for things, never to be in a hurry

I am still looking for a clutch pedal for my falcon, which apparently it only shares with the fairlane. ?

Time to use some of this spare sheet metal I have laying around . . .

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