max2000jp
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Jon Do said:"The E39 M5 is faster than the E46 M3 in terms of acceleration. Go sit in an E46 M3, it is quite luxurious. Bimmer guys would have a field day with you on that aspect."
Look man, do you have a little problem with something called relativity? I know that the M3 is luxurius. It is a BMW after all!! I am just saying that relative to most other BMWs, the M3 is less luxurius since it has a firmer ride and drive that is more geared towards performance than the average BMW...
The GTO also beats the Mustang in acceleration, so what?? The point is cars like the GTO and M5 are too big to be strictly performance cars... They have extra size so that they will be better able to carry a few people comfortably.. An M5 will not go around the track as fast as an M3 because it is simply too heavy...
"The new E65 M5(NEW) is faster than both cars by a large margin."
And the new M3 will be faster than the old M5.. it won't be as fast as the new M5 in a straight line, but it will handle better...
"The CTS-V is the same way. Both cars are for owners who want a sedan, but want sports car performance."
But CTS-V owners are willing to sacrifice some performance to have a large car than can accomodate four people comfortably like an M5 or GTO...
"As for the EVO and STi, those are bare bone's sports cars. Heck, the 04 STi didn't come standard with a stereo."
And yet they are sometimes compared to M3s... The Holden cars such as the GTO when compared to BMWs are compared to M5s. The CTS-V compared to BMWs is compared to M5s... That is because the latter cars are large cars with some of that size sacrificing some performance...
"Does the Mustang not hold 4 passengers?"
Could a Mustang hold 4 passengers comfortably on a road trip from NJ to Las Vegas?
Give it up man!! The GTO is the better grand touring performance coupe than the Mustang.. That is because the GTO actually IS a grand touring performance coupe whereas the Mustang GT is a Pony car.
You could say that either car is better than the other one depending on what criteria is most important to you. If you want a car that has the purpose of a pony car, you will like the Mustang; if you want a car that has the purpose of a grand tourer, you will want a GTO. It is that simple.
Your lack of basic automotive knowledge amazes me, but you keep going. The E46 M3 has the same basic architecture as a 330Ci interior wise. You get more feature in the M3 and available 2 tone leather, among other things. My 330i Sport rode fairly firm, almost as harsh as an M3. Again, any ///M product, albeit M3, M5, M6, etc. is GEARED towards performance. CTS-V owners do sacrifice performance, to cars like the C5/C6, but not the GTO. Check the stats on the CTS-V and it beats the holy 05 GTO in every measurable performance test. I am glad you indirectly imply that the GTO and other cars are compared against there pricier competitors more on performance, rather than content.
As for driving from NJ to Vegas, that wouldnt happen in either car. I am 6'2" and anyone sitting behind me would have no room in either car in the back. I would not sit in the back seat either, I simply wouldnt be comfortable. Your arguement is flawed. First the GTO was a near-luxury coupe, now its a "grand touring performance coupe". Is this Senator Kerry I am talking to?