Car just doesnt want to work anymore =[

PhLoBuS

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It all started about 2 weeks ago I got home pulled in the driveway shut my car off like always. Get in and was asked to move my car in the street by my mother so I said in one minute. I went out started the car and it instantly shut off. I tried a few times and was wondering what was wrong. I slowly did it and noticed the Fuel Pump did not turn on.

I did some research and checked the inertia switch, it was fine. I then located my fuel pump relay switch under the drivers seat. I replaced it, and like magic the fuel pump worked! I was in business!

Not quite the next day after a little of driving it, the same thing happened. The car would start but the fuel pump would not go on and the car shuts off because there is no fuel being cycled. A friend of mine says it could be my fuel pump, but I dont want to have to change the fuel pump if its not really the problem! I have another relay switch to throw in, but I dont want to ruin another one. I think it may have someone to do with my audio setup but I have had my setup for over a month and now the problem is occuring.

Anyways if anyone has some clues or ideas on what I can do let me know. I really want to drive my car again before the snow comes!! What lph fuel pump does a 1990 Mustang GT come with anyways? And if I did replace the fuel pump would I hurt the car going for a 190lph or 255lph one?
 
A bigger fuel pump will not be a problem. The regulator will return the excess fuel to the tank.

Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 86-90 Mustangs

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on.
It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running,
find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to
ground.
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If the fuse links are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure –
remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the
core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be
used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch
cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the
voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch

B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built
before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect
for fuel escaping while pump is running.

The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power
path.

The control path consists of the inertia switch, the computer, and the fuel pump
relay coil. It turns the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The
switched power (red wire) from the ECC relay goes to the inertia switch
(red/black wire) then from the inertia switch to the relay coil and then from the
relay coil to the computer (tan/ Lt green wire). The computer provides the ground
path to complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and
close the contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage
to all the right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no
ground, the relay will not close the power contacts.

The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like
fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness.
The feed wire from the fuse link (orange/ light blue wire) goes to the fuel pump
relay contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power
flows through the contacts to the fuel pump (light pink/black wire). The fuel pump
has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.

Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays
or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That
means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to
ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.


See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) &
Stang&2Birds (website host)

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds

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Now that you have the theory of how it works, it’s time to go digging.

Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt. Blue wire (power source for fuel pump relay).
No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, bad ignition switch or ignition
switch wiring or connections. There is a mystery connector somewhere under the
driver’s side kick panel, between the fuel pump relay and the fuse link.

Turn on the key and jumper the fuel pump test connector to ground as previously
described. Look for 12 volts at the Light Pink/Black wire (relay controlled power
for the fuel pump). No voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a
broken wire in the relay control circuit.

Check the Red/black wire, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either the
inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia
switch: there should be power on the Red wire and Red/Black wire. Power on the
Red wire and not on the Red/Black wire means the inertia switch is open.

The Tan/Lt Green wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test
connector jumpered to ground, there should be less than .75 volts. Use a test
lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the
Tan/Lt Green wire. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a
broken wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test
the wiring from the computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and
disconnect the computer connector. It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place.
With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test
lamp should glow. No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel
pump relay is bad.

If all of the checks have worked OK to this point, then the computer is bad. The
computers are very reliable and not prone to failure unless there has been
significant electrical trauma to the car. Things like lightning strikes and putting
the battery in backwards or connecting jumper cables backwards are about the
only thing that kills the computer.
 
Well no luck yet, I have replaced the fuel pump relay switch as stated above. Taken the passenger kick panel off and checked in there. Is the EEC relay just like fuel pump relay where it just plugs in? Or is there wires going in from both ends of it? I changed the relay underneath the MAF which is exactly like the one under the drivers seat. Is that the Wide open throttle A/C cut off relay? (1990 GT) I am really starting to think the fuel pump has just given up.
 
PhLoBuS said:
Well no luck yet, I have replaced the fuel pump relay switch as stated above. Taken the passenger kick panel off and checked in there. Is the EEC relay just like fuel pump relay where it just plugs in? Or is there wires going in from both ends of it? I changed the relay underneath the MAF which is exactly like the one under the drivers seat. Is that the Wide open throttle A/C cut off relay? (1990 GT) I am really starting to think the fuel pump has just given up.
The WOT relay under the MAF cuts the A/C off when you go wide open throttle. It gives you more power by not having to run the A/C compressor at wide open throttle.

The EEC relay is like the fuel pump relay. It lives on top of the computer, and is hard to get to unless you have small hands. I generally take the passenger side dash speaker out if I have to work on it.
 
PhLoBuS said:
Well no luck yet, I have replaced the fuel pump relay switch as stated above. Taken the passenger kick panel off and checked in there. Is the EEC relay just like fuel pump relay where it just plugs in? Or is there wires going in from both ends of it? I changed the relay underneath the MAF which is exactly like the one under the drivers seat. Is that the Wide open throttle A/C cut off relay? (1990 GT) I am really starting to think the fuel pump has just given up.
The EEC relay is conventional.

The Relay under the MAF is indeed the WOT relay.

I'd start it in the driveway until it acts up. Then do some quick diagnostics - it will save you some money. Get yourself a FP gauge first.

Good luck.

EDIT: JR beat me to it.