Car stalling out, won't start, can't find out why.

astronut1885

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Hey guys. For the last few days, when I'm out driving, for some reason my car will just die, out of nowhere. It only does it in neutral, at idle, and it does it usually right after I start up and get moving. Once it dies, it won't start back up for a few minutes. It seems like it looses spark. This doesn't happen every time though, usually just in the first few minutes of driving. My ignition is all new, all MSD with a 6AL, except for the dist. and TFI module. I've heard of them crapping out when warm, only to kick in again when they cool. It's getting dangerous, because the car will crap out when I go to stop at an intersection. What could cause the car to just shut off? I'm getting no power loss, and when it doesn't do it the car runs great. Suggestions?
 
Do the simple stuff first. Do you have spark? If not look for the remaining items you haven't replaced. Spark OK? Do you have fuel pressure? Systematically eliminate the things that work and concentrate on the things that don't.

Here's the all too familar checklist...

Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs

1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Place car in neutral or Park. Remove coil wire from distributor & and hold 3/8” away from engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.
No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Coil
B.) TFI module
C.) PIP sensor in distributor
D.) ECC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires
E.) Fuse links in wiring harness - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires
F.) Ignition switch - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires
G.) Computer

2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.
Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t ,then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html for a description of the test connector. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In pinch you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running.

Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing.

A.) A Noid light available from Autozone, is one way to test the injector wiring.
B.) I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too.

a.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
b.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).
c.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the ECC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.


4.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.

A.) Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off only likely if the engine has been worked on recently).
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines.
 
Yep, I've got fuel pressure, and it won't start with the throttle wide open, or part open, so I know it's not air. The ignition is all new except for the dizzy and TFI (MSD blaster coil, super conductor wires, 6AL box, cap, rotor). It only happens selectively, so I could literally do all that right now, the car will check out fine, and then it'll die 5 minutes later. I'm pretty certain it's a spark issue, but my computer also sucks (from a beat up junk yard 93 LX of questionable quality) and likes to cause idle problems all the time. I need an A9L. I went over the whole motor, can't find anything wrong. If it doesn't settle down, I'll probably replace the TFI, or just get a new MSD dizzy.
 
It really sounds like the TFI module,I would just go ahead and swap it out.

And I have read that it's no use to have it tested because while it's being tested,it will be cool and test out fine..Then when you re-install and it gets to heat up,problems return.

Besides,they seem to go out sooner or later on our cars,so think of it as preventative maintenance!Good luck man-Milt
 
The car is still doing it, typically about 5 minutes after start. It's also hesitant to start up in the first place. Everything checks out when I test, so I'm heavily leaning toward the TFI module. This is becoming aggrivating.
 
pull off the IAC valve and shake it. It you hear no movement on the shaft, either soak it overnight in carb cleaner and then clean the shaft very well with a small wire type brush or replace it altgether. When you can hear the valve sliding up and down on the shaft when you shake it, the IAC is OK. I have seen this type of problem many, many times and the abovementioned fix usually works.
 
do carbed cars have a TFI module? sorry im not sure what that is but i have this same problem too and i was going to ask if a coil can work sometimes and not others and cause this because my coil arched and melted almost half the plastic around the hold that the rubber boot slides onto. Should i only replace that or should i do the distributer too? or TFI if i have one?