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CEL and code 41

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93 LX

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I have a 93 LX thats stock with the exception of headers and electric fan. After replacing the rack and pinion I took it for a test drive and now I get the CEL after a fair driving distance. After resetting the ECC by disconnecting the battery I only get the code 41 in the KOEO and KOER tests.

41 equals Exhaust Gas Oxygen (EGO) voltsge signal always lean (Low Value) - does not switch.

Bad O2 sensor? How can I test this to verify its nothing else?
 

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There's a good chance you accidentally disconnected the O2 sensor connector while doing the rack. I mention this because I did the same thing while doing rack bushings.

Good luck.
 

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Follow Hissn50's suggestion first.


Then after you have carefully checked the wiring for loose or damaged connections, here's the code 41/91 test path.

Code 41 or 91 - O2 indicates system lean. Look for a vacuum leak or failing O2 sensor.

Code 41 is a RH side sensor,
Code 91 is the LH side sensor.

The computer sees a lean mixture signal coming from the O2 sensors and tries to compensate by adding more fuel. Many times the end result is an engine that runs pig rich and stinks of unburned fuel.

The following is a Quote from Charles O. Probst, Ford fuel Injection & Electronic Engine control:
"When the mixture is lean, the exhaust gas has oxygen, about the same amount as the ambient air. So the sensor will generate less than 400 Millivolts. Remember lean = less voltage.

When the mixture is rich, there's less oxygen in the exhaust than in the ambient air , so voltage is generated between the two sides of the tip. The voltage is greater than 600 millivolts. Remember rich = more voltage.

Here's a tip: the newer the sensor, the more the voltage changes, swinging from as low as 0.1 volt to as much as 0.9 volt. As an oxygen sensor ages, the voltage changes get smaller and slower - the voltage change lags behind the change in exhaust gas oxygen.

Because the oxygen sensor generates its own voltage, never apply voltage and never measure resistance of the sensor circuit. To measure voltage signals, use an analog voltmeter with a high input impedance, at least 10 megohms. Remember, a digital voltmeter will average a changing voltage." End Quote

Testing the O2 sensors
Measuring the O2 sensor voltage at the computer will give you a good idea of how well they are working. You'll have to pull the passenger side kick panel off to gain access to the computer connector. Remove the plastic wiring cover to get to the back side of the wiring. Use a safety pin or paper clip to probe the connections from the rear. The computer pins are 29 (LH O2 with a dark green/pink wire) and 43 (RH O2 with a dark blue/pink wire). Use the ground next to the computer to ground the voltmeter. The O2 sensor voltage should switch between .2-.9 volt at idle.

Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter. Do not attempt to measure the resistance of the O2 sensors, it may damage them.

Testing the O2 sensor wiring harness
Most of the common multimeters have a resistance scale. Be sure the O2 sensors are disconnected and measure the resistance from the O2 sensor body harness to the pins on the computer.

The O2 sensor ground (orange wire with a ring terminal on it) is in the wiring harness for the fuel injection wiring. I grounded mine to one of the intake manifold bolts

Replace the O2 sensors in pairs if replacement is indicated. If one is weak or bad, the other one probably isn't far behind.

If you get only code 41 and have changed the sensor, look for vacuum leaks. This is especially true if you are having idle problems. The small plastic tubing is very brittle after many years of the heating it receives. Replace the tubing and check the PVC and the hoses connected to it.
A secondary problem with only a code 41 is for cars with an intact smog pump and cats. If the tube on the back of the heads clogs up the driver’s side, all the air from the smog pump gets dumped into one side. This excess air upsets the O2 sensor calibration and can set a false code 41. The cure is to remove the crossover tube and thoroughly clean the insides to that there is no carbon blocking the free flow of air to both heads.
 

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The car runs ok, no idle issue or running rich. The CEL comes on after a long drive and after its on it still runs fine, not rich exhaust smell or anything.
 

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Something interesting. Today I drove with the AC on and the CEL never came on. As soon as I killed the AC and drove for a bit it came back on. What is the difference with the AC on or off?
 

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bump...
 

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Have you checked the O2 connector and checked the signal return?

The AC should have no direct effect (any effects are negligible).
 

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HISSIN50 said:
the signal return?
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signal return?

Well with the AC I do not get the CEL. Drove it all day yesterday, this morning no AC got the CEL, 10 minutes after hitting the freeway.

This evening, CEL was on and then i switched on the AC. Guess what, the light turned off withing 1 minute...... bad ground, bad sensor.

Totally confused now.....
 
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