Cobra/Mach/Bullitt brake owners, beware

Here's my story, so hopefully it will help others avoid this problem and to do routine checks of their front brake pads.

I noticed that my steering wheel began to have a wobble a week or so ago (maybe 2 weeks at most). I figured that the balancing weight on one/two of the rims may have come off, so I went to my friend's store yesterday to have it checked.

About a half hour or so after dropping it off, I get a call from him. "Sanford, I got some bad new for you." So, I'm thinking "Great, now what?" He goes on to tell me that my front passenger side brake pad broke, and I'm like "WTF?"

It seems Ford, in their infinite wisdom, designed the front brakes (Cobra/Mach/Bullitt) as so: the caliper itself doesn't mount to the brake mounting bracket; rather, the pin that usually holds the caliper to the bracket in other designs holds the PAD to the bracket. The only thing that "mounts" the caliper to the actual car is the pad. The pad, if you look at it from the wheel, only secures to the caliper via two 1" or so circular "star" mounting tabs. If you look at the caliper, you can see the two holes in the caliper, and inside those holes are the mounting tabs. Poor design, similar to the ones on Corvettes. Keep in mind that these pad were NOT old. I seached and found my receipt, and I purchased them in September last year. Yup, 4 months old, and useless.

Getting back to my car, it seems that the those two mounting tabs are merely held to the pad itself by two small rivets. Not exactly rivets, but the look like it. Now, the mounting tab dislodged itself from the "rivet," so the caliper was basically loose and flopping around the rotor. Since the only two points of mounting were now broken, the caliper was free to roam on its own. So in my case, the caliper was moving around while I was driving, and it knocked the wheel weights off the wheel, causing the wobble. I would never had known the pad was broken if I didn't take it in. There was no real indication of any failure as the brakes seemingly worked as usual, since the pad was still making contact with the rotor, just not on a consistent plane.

My story gets better. I call my friend at Ford, and he actually has a set of Motorcraft replacement pads in stock. I drive down there, pick it up and take it back to my friends store to put the pads on. I open up the box and behold, the NEW set of pads has the same problem---two broken mounting tabs. BRAND new, and defective. :notnice:

I end up getting some AC/Delco ones, and didn't leave the store until I checked all 8 tabs on all 4 pads.

Moral of the story: If you own Cobra/Mach/Bullitt calipers, check to make sure your mounting tabs for the pads are intact. When you do a visual inspection, you will easily notice that the pad is not centered in the caliper, and the caliper is not centered within your wheel. Sounds stupid, but unless you really look at it, you honestly don't notice.

I didn't take any pics, but I could find some if necessary.
 
Wow, that is brutal! Ford is always trying to save a few bucks.

San~man ... off topic but do you have any pics of your car? A Car Domain page maybe? I remember I had seen pics of your car awhile ago and I remember realllyyyy liking what you had done. I'd love to take another look at it.


Matt :nice: :flag: :canada:
 
Ford did NOT design these calipers. These were designed by PBR (I think it was PBR because that is who makes them) which is the company that Ford/Chevy/Baer and others buy these calipers from. I can't remember when these were designed originally but it was late 70s or early 80s.

These calipers are a one of a kind. They are the only floating calipers that work like this with the bracket holding the pads down, at least thats what I've been told. Its actually a good design and it works better then those stupid slide pins. The problem you experineced isn't a problem with design, its a manufacturing problem. The pads are what failed and most likely due to a bad production run at a manufacturer.

I gota say, it is definately an issue to be aware of. I've serviced these calipers several times and never had an issue with the clips breaking off but I'll be sure to double check them from now on. I must say that you should always inspect break pads before installing them. I once had a production run issue with some pads for my mom's Benz. Three different pairs of brand new pads were chiped out in the exact same spot and I had to go pick up a box of pads from a brake supply warehouse so this isn't the first time I've heard of brake pads having a factory defect. I've had other pad issues as well....

Long story short, ALWAYS inspect your new parts. Do NOT blindly install new parts and think they are perfect.
 
Ford did NOT design these calipers. These were designed by PBR (I think it was PBR because that is who makes them) which is the company that Ford/Chevy/Baer and others buy these calipers from. I can't remember when these were designed originally but it was late 70s or early 80s.


Ya, I forgot PBR designed them. Ford should have used something else.

Rusty67 said:
These calipers are a one of a kind. They are the only floating calipers that work like this with the bracket holding the pads down, at least thats what I've been told. Its actually a good design and it works better then those stupid slide pins. The problem you experineced isn't a problem with design, its a manufacturing problem. The pads are what failed and most likely due to a bad production run at a manufacturer.

Yes, the pads failed, but due to the design, I'm lucky the caliper didn't go flying away. In most brake systems, the slide pin usually holds the caliper, correct? Again IMO, a poor overall design

Rusty67 said:
Long story short, ALWAYS inspect your new parts. Do NOT blindly install new parts and think they are perfect.

I agree with you :nice: , but they were inspected prior to installation but failed due to use. I inspected the new part prior to installing, but that part was defective too. :notnice:
 
so the pads or the calipers are a bad design? I have the bullitt brakes, and the only problem I have with them is after 6months the red paint is starting to flake off!!

If you are talking about the pad, the composite material should be bonded to the pad backing place... usually they have like a checkered board design etched out for the material to bond more secure to the backing..

I think pictures would help, maybe I am just not understanding....
 
Look at the picture you have in your sig.

1. See the caliper through the wheel spoke?
2. Now, see that hole to the rear end of the running pony? There's two of those holes on the face of the caliper.
3. Look inside those holes. See the silver ring with the multiple little "fingers?" That's how the pad mounts to the caliper. That's also the only two things that hold the caliper to the car.

If either/both of those mounts breaks, the caliper moves around. Just be sure to check those two mounts on each side periodically.
 
Look at the picture you have in your sig.

1. See the caliper through the wheel spoke?
2. Now, see that hole to the rear end of the running pony? There's two of those holes on the face of the caliper.
3. Look inside those holes. See the silver ring with the multiple little "fingers?" That's how the pad mounts to the caliper. That's also the only two things that hold the caliper to the car.

If either/both of those mounts breaks, the caliper moves around. Just be sure to check those two mounts on each side periodically.

the pads mount to the caliper but are also held in place by the caliper bracket. those tabs arent the sole thing that is stopping the car.
 
I see what he is saying now. The retaining pin that holds the caliper to the bracket just physically retains the brake pad, which attaches to the caliper by those two mounting hole tabs. If the two holding tabs on the pad gave out, the retaining pin wouldn't secure the caliper, thus making it loose.

Study these two pictures, it took me awhile....
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I see what he is saying now. The retaining pin that holds the caliper to the bracket just physically retains the brake pad, which attaches to the caliper by those two mounting hole tabs. If the two holding tabs on the pad gave out, the retaining pin wouldn't secure the caliper, thus making it loose.

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Exactly. Thanks for posting the pic.
 

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All the braking force is transfered through the pad into the caliper bracket. Under normal circumstances there is very little force on the actual caliper. All the pad clips do is keep the caliper in place basically.

The friction material of the pad pushes against the backing plate and that is transfered to the front of the caliper bracket opposite the pin.

That's typical of most brake setups, except most like the 99-04 PBR on the GT also bolt the caliper to the caliper bracket as well. The cobra design PBR doesn't mount at all. It truely floats!

The caliper has been around sine the 80's firct used on the C4 vette. It works well. The pad clips falling off are more an indicator of bad parts manufacturing really.
 
still don't see what all the hubub is about:shrug:
i'm a bit slow so little circles, smiley faces and stars might help


if this were a more common occurance i'm sure there would be a recall since brakes are kinda a safety issue
 
Whatever happened to your brakes was a fluke.

I've slammed mine on bringing the car from 135+ to 60 lap after lap and never had one break. Had my cooling ducts come off and caused the pads to wear out prematurely but they didn't break. These were brand new pads that only lasted six 25 minute sessions at Sebring. Melted down a good set of calipers because I ripped the dangling ducts off and kept running. I've run the same brand pads through 10 to 12 track sessions and added on 2 seasons of autocross as long as I keep the cooling ducts in place for track use.
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no. i think YOU need to look at the picks. pay attention to the pad and bracket.

Do you even HAVE these brakes? I bet you don't. My experience is true, and I have the parts and damage to prove it. Do you?

If you do have these brakes, you better go out and look at them more closely and take a minute to learn from MY experience.

If you don't have these brakes, then go sit your ass back in the corner and keep your uniformed comments to yourself.
 
I do see what you are saying. If the round spring clips came off the pads it could let the calipers float up. This is the first I've ever heard of it happening. The actual braking forces are applied to the caliper bracket at the pad ears. The spring clips just locate the calipers to the pads.


I'll stick to my Lomandi Pads from Canada.