Come on Ford - step it up

suvs and trucks with high hp numbers make me laugh , they are awfully slow , they weight a ton , this car is no diffrence than a Porsche cayenne turbo which is awfully slow aswell(beaten them with ease from a roll) with a whooping 521 lazy horses no matter how much they mod them , put all that **** on them they stall cant take a bolton 05 , or a similarly moded mustang , hell... it takes 6k to buy the kit off for a normal tundra , id be doing whillies all day with that kind of money

A Porsche Cayenne Turbo would walk your car man. My buddy has one that’s bone stock and has went mid 13s @ 105.

13.3 with 500'ish hp is not awfully slow? and if you wana magazine race , pretty much anything look better on paper than a mustang.

Its not when your talking about an AWD SUV that can seat 4 comfortably and still have tons of room for whatever. Not to mention they take to mods fairly well.

The arguement is not what can or can not be done with 500hp. And If you want to talk about 500hp being pathetic, look at the new GT500. Magazines typically test them to 12.7. Last one I saw at the track struggled to run 13.4 in warm-sticky weather while my 4cyl was running 13.0's. I seriously doubt I can break 300hp at the wheels too!

The Shelby running s**t times is do to a s***ty driver not because of poor performance. I promise you a Shelby would destroy a 13.0 car just ask the LS2 GT0 I slaughtered today.

this "option" costs about 6k , now top of the notch supercharger setup + forged internals for a 2v mustang + labor wouldn’t cost that much and would probably net you somewhere mid 400s

what i realy want to say , its another car on the road and its nothing to be worried about if all they could manage is high 13s with 500 hp.

Uhh obviously you haven’t priced a supercharger and motor out. I spent around $3,500 for my old supercharger setup, and another $3,500 for a built shortblock which I am sure prices have went up since I bought mine. Right there you are at $6,000 and haven’t even installed anything yet or tuned it.
 
SRT8 Jeep with full exhaust and intake with tune has been video'd doing high 12.8's. The exhaust comes out the middle of the bumper, good luck towing anything - lol.

they are rated at 11mpg city and 14mph highway before mods. a guy i know traded in his WRX STi for one. the whole concept of the SRT8 Jeep is retarded if you ask me.
 
A Porsche Cayenne Turbo would walk your car man. My buddy has one that’s bone stock and has went mid 13s @ 105.

if you say so bud , nobody can argue that you know it all , i guess you can also guess what times my car run on the strip by staring at my sig :D .



Its not when your talking about an AWD SUV that can seat 4 comfortably and still have tons of room for whatever. Not to mention they take to mods fairly well.

its RWD and not a AWD , 2 seater thats claiming mid/high 13s , the AWD model with TRD upgrade barely touching 13s/low 14s.

let me quote a member in the toyota forums.

What can we expect from a S/C RCSB good for maybee another 1/2 sec?????.

fine every one wants a s/c 1/4 mile time i think its very poor for the money

reaction .2179
60 ft 2.0891
1/8 et 8.8990
1/8 mph 80.51
1000' et 11.5260
1/4 et 13.7641
1/4 mph 100.69

even they think the supercharger is p.o.s .

Uhh obviously you haven’t priced a supercharger and motor out. I spent around $3,500 for my old supercharger setup, and another $3,500 for a built shortblock which I am sure prices have went up since I bought mine. Right there you are at $6,000 and haven’t even installed anything yet or tuned it.

i guess you need to shop around more :rolleyes:

and i wasnt talking about swapping the shortblock , stock one should suffice for 400+ rwhp and is more than enough to whoop those yachts , starting from your humble little V1 S-trim at 2.600 shipped ( Maf and fuel injectors run 500 ish) if you pice the kit yourself and $300-500 for install which leave you with 3k to get forged pistons and rods ( $860 shipped ) + labor and gaskets ( $600-$700 )and such which totals somewhere around 5k for a good to run mustang ready.
 
The concept is not for someone looking for a utilitarian vehicle. It is for an enthusiast, or for a high income individual who enjoys expensive toys. It's not a mass market vehicle. And as for DMB - a 300hp V6 will question anyone who's thinking about buying Ford's 215hp V6. Wait until someone gets a Z28 and puts out the dyno numbers, since Chevy tends to grossly underestimate power output.
 
if you say so bud , nobody can argue that you know it all , i guess you can also guess what times my car run on the strip by staring at my sig .

If your mods are up to date I have a pretty good clue. I also know HotMustang had every bolt on you could think of with full exhaust, and heads and cams and the best he ran was like 12.9X. IIRC

You have to think a GT is a low 14 sec car with a decent driver and your cams prolly only picked you up .2-.3. Its not exactly rocket science.

So what did you run?

its RWD and not a AWD , 2 seater thats claiming mid/high 13s , the AWD model with TRD upgrade barely touching 13s/low 14s. .

Thought you were talking about the SRT8 hence the AWD and 4 seater. My bad.

i guess you need to shop around more

and i wasnt talking about swapping the shortblock , stock one should suffice for 400+ rwhp and is more than enough to whoop those yachts , starting from your humble little V1 S-trim at 2.600 shipped ( Maf and fuel injectors run 500 ish) if you pice the kit yourself and $300-500 for install which leave you with 3k to get forged pistons and rods ( $860 shipped ) + labor and gaskets ( $600-$700 )and such which totals somewhere around 5k for a good to run mustang ready.

First a forged short block is a factory block with forged crank, rods and pistons, rod bearings, ect already installed.

You might want to do a little more research on a supercharger and motor build there buddy.

One of the best bang for your buck supercharger kits is the Mongoose kit from MPH and it is $3900 and comes with everything you need. You would be hard pressed to get all new parts (supercharger, 42lb injectors, sparkplugs, 90mm MAF, and fuel pump) and get the car tuned for less than that.

$860 shipped for rods and pistons is going to be some ass cheap parts and won't hold up. Cushman Motorsports cheapest rotating assembly is $1450 and is said to only be good for 500hp. Then you still have to pick up head studs, and all the gaskets for a rebuild. Then have the block machined and all the other fun stuff that goes with it.

And if you think you going to have someone build you a motor for $600-$700 you’re crazy. Hell most performance shops around here want $1000 to install headers. FYI pulling, rebuilding and then reinstalling a motor is a little harder and more time consuming than putting on headers.


I'm not trying to be a smartass I'm just telling you this because I've been there and done it. Its a hell of a lot more expensive than what most think it is. Trust me if you think you plan on spending $5,000 on a build you better have $7,500-$10,000 saved up because you always go over.
 
And if you think you going to have someone build you a motor for $600-$700 you’re crazy. Hell most performance shops around here want $1000 to install headers. FYI pulling, rebuilding and then reinstalling a motor is a little harder and more time consuming than putting on headers.


I'm not trying to be a smartass I'm just telling you this because I've been there and done it. Its a hell of a lot more expensive than what most think it is. Trust me if you think you plan on spending $5,000 on a build you better have $7,500-$10,000 saved up because you always go over.

i did my cams for $250ish (can even check that in my thread about getting my cams installed if you want ) , a header install is $100 here with all the wielding included .

i already quoted a full rebuild and did my math , i don't live in the USA , i am sorry that your rates are inflamed but a full engine rebuild here is around $350 with my parts 600-700 was with gaskets seals etc.... and i thought i was getting robbed :shrug:

and i am going to find out what my car runs after getting it tuned.
 
Wow - I would love a $100 long tube header install. That's normally, according to the repair books, 4 to 5 hours of work. I can see a place possibly installing cams for $250ish - I've been quoted 350 to 400 here, which is reasonable I think.
 
Mogs - did your 4.6 GT run a quicker 1/4 off the showroom floor than that truck?
what the **** do I care if something out runs my car? I use my FORD TRUCK to haul **** around, it could run a ****ing 20 second quarter mile for all I care.

Import truck companies cannot compete with the big 3!! Go to any construction site and they are all Fords, GMs or Dodges).
 
i did my cams for $250ish (can even check that in my thread about getting my cams installed if you want ) , a header install is $100 here with all the wielding included .

i already quoted a full rebuild and did my math , i don't live in the USA , i am sorry that your rates are inflamed but a full engine rebuild here is around $350 with my parts 600-700 was with gaskets seals etc.... and i thought i was getting robbed :shrug:

and i am going to find out what my car runs after getting it tuned.

What welding? That may show the quality of work your getting.

Sorry but its just not adding up.

How is a engine rebuild only $250 more than installing headers?

How are the gaskets and the extra parts another $350? (the same price as the entire rebuild)

How much are they charging you an hour?

If headers cost $100 and it took them 4hrs that would be $25/hr. If they charge you the same $25 and hour for the motor build then thats only 14hrs to pull the motor, do the machine work, build the motor, and reinstall the motor.

Are you taking this to a performance shop or just some shop that does automotive work?


Once again I'm not trying to be an ass just trying to figure this shop out. You really need to do some checking into these guys. A header install or cam install is pretty simple compared to a motor rebuild.
 
What welding? That may show the quality of work your getting.

Sorry but its just not adding up.

if needed , never said you have to welding anything but mostly they would cut/chop anything that dosnt fit or modify it slightly to run for barely any extra charges , thing is most people dont bother with h-pipes ( shipping costing more than the actual thing ) here for mustangs and just shorten stock ones.

How is a engine rebuild only $250 more than installing headers? ,
How much are they charging you an hour?

there is no charging by the hour here , they charge you for whats done , we have a whole district of garages here and everyone needs to get customers so they settle for a set price for any headers/kinda work.

How are the gaskets and the extra parts another $350? (the same price as the entire rebuild)

no matter what engine you are working with the charges are set in stone and because tearing a 4.6L is rather pricey (parts wise) , heads gaskets , studs , seals and such cost a fortune , i worked with Ls1 and they didn't cost that much to tear down.


Are you taking this to a performance shop or just some shop that does automotive work?

performance shop with dyno in house.

Once again I'm not trying to be an ass just trying to figure this shop out. You really need to do some checking into these guys. A header install or cam install is pretty simple compared to a motor rebuild.

sure thing , just wondering why are you questioning prices here without ever being in this country its rather silly , are you shocked because labor is cheaper in a 3rd world country ? :shrug:

you realy should see our shipping rates then , 50 lbs from usa to kuwait are $400+ thats why i didnt do any exhaust mods yet :D

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