Thanks guys, I went to the local parts place and bought the square tool for turning the pistons and guess what? The pistons too big for any of the sides on the tool. So I finally got pissed , pulled the calipers off the car, made a tool with my dremel and an old socket I had laying around, and got the job done. A little pressure is hardly what it took though, I had to put them on a work bench and put all my considerable weight on the damn things while turning them. A tool is an absolute must for this job, forget the pliers. And how you're suppose to get it while the caliper's on the car is beyond me. Anyway, I got 'em on, so we'll see how they work on the road course this weekend.