Cracked intake manifold

Ok, I'm gonna admit right off the bat that I might be in over my head here... pls have patience with me.

Just bought a 98 Mustang GT w/ saleen package. I went a whole 10 miles from dealer and got the coolant light. Stopped and added coolant, went a couple miles, heard a loud crack/pop!, light came on again, stopped again and now car was smoking a little bit. Coolant was dripping on the ground and it looked like it was coming from a hose. I drove back to the dealer and after checking it out doing a pressure test, they said it was a cracked manifold. They said they'd fix it and that is where it is now. After much web searching, I see the plastic manifold is a known Ford defect, but questionable whether 98 stang is covered.

My worries are whether engine damage has resulted from this and if I should try to get away from this purchase. (Don't even know if that can be done...?) Obviously I don't want them to replace the manifold with another crappy plastic job...

I'm getting conflicting info on the homefront about all of this.

"Friend A" says I need to have the heads and cylinder walls checked to be sure they're not pitted, because that might be a result of this manifold business. Further, he says I need to have an oil sample taken because that will tell me practically everything I want to know about this car.

"Friend B" says the oil sample won't tell me diddly because they've surely changed the oil. He says there's really no way to know about the engine's condition unless they look on the head side, rather than the manifold side, for pitting.

Oh yeah, "Friend C" says GET RID OF IT.

Is either one right, wrong or somewhere in between?

Any and all info/suggestions/ideas, etc are welcome and appreciated. Thank you in advance for not giving me grief for not being a mechanic. Talk to me like I am a kindergarder, won't hurt my feelings... Might have just made a very high dollar mistake here and am sweating bullets.

Rachelle
 
ellehcar said:
Ok, I'm gonna admit right off the bat that I might be in over my head here... pls have patience with me.

Just bought a 98 Mustang GT w/ saleen package. I went a whole 10 miles from dealer and got the coolant light. Stopped and added coolant, went a couple miles, heard a loud crack/pop!, light came on again, stopped again and now car was smoking a little bit. Coolant was dripping on the ground and it looked like it was coming from a hose. I drove back to the dealer and after checking it out doing a pressure test, they said it was a cracked manifold. They said they'd fix it and that is where it is now. After much web searching, I see the plastic manifold is a known Ford defect, but questionable whether 98 stang is covered.

My worries are whether engine damage has resulted from this and if I should try to get away from this purchase. (Don't even know if that can be done...?) Obviously I don't want them to replace the manifold with another crappy plastic job...

I'm getting conflicting info on the homefront about all of this.

"Friend A" says I need to have the heads and cylinder walls checked to be sure they're not pitted, because that might be a result of this manifold business. Further, he says I need to have an oil sample taken because that will tell me practically everything I want to know about this car.

"Friend B" says the oil sample won't tell me diddly because they've surely changed the oil. He says there's really no way to know about the engine's condition unless they look on the head side, rather than the manifold side, for pitting.

Oh yeah, "Friend C" says GET RID OF IT.

Is either one right, wrong or somewhere in between?

Any and all info/suggestions/ideas, etc are welcome and appreciated. Thank you in advance for not giving me grief for not being a mechanic. Talk to me like I am a kindergarder, won't hurt my feelings... Might have just made a very high dollar mistake here and am sweating bullets.

Rachelle


It is a known problem with the plastic crossover. I have a 96 and it already had the mainfold replaced under warrenty a few years prior to be purchasing it....to this day not a problem with the car. I recently installed an intake manifold from an 03gt(hp gain in higher rpms) and when i had the manifold off everything looked alright.
 
Ignore C but im not sure about a or b. C just hates fords and luves x instead.

My advice is after they fix it. Get your receipt and take it to a reputable mechanic and have him check it over keeping in mind what has been fixed on it. My guess is no damage was done. Heck you didn't drive but what 10 miles from the dealership and had the problem. Its not like you put alot of miles on it etc.

kirkyg
 
ellehcar said:
Ok, I'm gonna admit right off the bat that I might be in over my head here... pls have patience with me.

Just bought a 98 Mustang GT w/ saleen package. I went a whole 10 miles from dealer and got the coolant light. Stopped and added coolant, went a couple miles, heard a loud crack/pop!, light came on again, stopped again and now car was smoking a little bit. Coolant was dripping on the ground and it looked like it was coming from a hose. I drove back to the dealer and after checking it out doing a pressure test, they said it was a cracked manifold. They said they'd fix it and that is where it is now. After much web searching, I see the plastic manifold is a known Ford defect, but questionable whether 98 stang is covered.

My worries are whether engine damage has resulted from this and if I should try to get away from this purchase. (Don't even know if that can be done...?) Obviously I don't want them to replace the manifold with another crappy plastic job...

I'm getting conflicting info on the homefront about all of this.

"Friend A" says I need to have the heads and cylinder walls checked to be sure they're not pitted, because that might be a result of this manifold business. Further, he says I need to have an oil sample taken because that will tell me practically everything I want to know about this car.

"Friend B" says the oil sample won't tell me diddly because they've surely changed the oil. He says there's really no way to know about the engine's condition unless they look on the head side, rather than the manifold side, for pitting.

Oh yeah, "Friend C" says GET RID OF IT.

Is either one right, wrong or somewhere in between?

Any and all info/suggestions/ideas, etc are welcome and appreciated. Thank you in advance for not giving me grief for not being a mechanic. Talk to me like I am a kindergarder, won't hurt my feelings... Might have just made a very high dollar mistake here and am sweating bullets.

Rachelle
If they try and screw you I believe you can fall back on the "lemon law". Did the dealer give you the coolant? If so, they knew there was a problem and that would have thrown a red flag up for me right off the bat. I would have a mechanic look it over if I were you.
 
No, the dealer didn't give me the coolant.

I am almost positive that the Lemon Law is only for new vehicles and only up to something like twenty-some thousand miles, like the other post said.

"Friend A" said there is some law here in Iowa that you have seven days to take a used car back to the dealer... but I doubt that somehow. I've bought a lot of cars in my day and never heard of *that.* I think the only recourse is probably small claims court.

The thing is, I want to keep this car, but am worried that this problem has caused other (specifically, engine) trouble. The dealer is fixing it for free - as they damn well should, in my opinion.

I will definitely be having a mechanic look it over. I would be very, very interested in hearing from others who have dealt with this cracked manifold problem and whether it can lead to other problems. I wonder if the dealer was driving it around on test drives or whatever with this problem or if it *just* cropped up with me. That would be my luck, though... :notnice:
 
I think your taking the right actions. Just for grins and giggles search for your states lemon laws on the internet. That should help you determine if there are any lemon law options assuming there is some sort of engine damage. I would keep the car if a good mechanic looks it over and says everything else is fine. You may have a car that will not give you any more problems for a long time.

kirkyg
 
ive replaced 2 of the crappy plastic ones. second one slightly leaked from the get go. drove with it for a couple years til it finally started leaking bad enough to fill the plug holes with water-causing bad hesitation under acceleration. Replaced it with the updated version with the aluminum on the front...and not a single drop was leaked after that.
 
As long as you didnt overheat the engine and drove it right back to the dealer without any funny running problems(engine miss/smoke out tailpipe/check engine light) you should be ok....I would think that since they are fixing it already there are no other problems running wise, that its ok......they would not waste time fixing the intake if you blew a headgasket.....basically it comes down to common sense.....Good luck though and have fun with the new ride when ya get it back!!!!!
 
allutz said:
As long as you didnt overheat the engine and drove it right back to the dealer without any funny running problems(engine miss/smoke out tailpipe/check engine light) you should be ok....I would think that since they are fixing it already there are no other problems running wise, that its ok......they would not waste time fixing the intake if you blew a headgasket.....basically it comes down to common sense.....Good luck though and have fun with the new ride when ya get it back!!!!!

Thx for the reply... (all replies) The temp gauge never went out of range, but did get some smoking - though very little. I didn't have any running problems such as miss, tailpipe smoke or the check engine light. I couldn't figure out why the temp gauge showed normal and wondered if it had been disconnected...? When I went in to the dealer on Saturday to check the progress, it was torn all apart, so they're doing something, anyway. On the bright side, yeah, *cannot wait* to get it back, even if I'm scared of getting my *&! ripped off big-time in this deal... She's a beauty, no doubt, just hope I didn't let looks make me fall for a loser.
 
allutz said:
well, now we need pics !!!!!!!

Oh, and you'll get 'em!!!!!!! At the very least, if the *#!# thing shoots craps, I will park it in the driveway to raise my property value! AND... maybe if ya'll see her pure beauty, you'll think me less a fool...? Ok, ok, maybe that's too much to ask, but I will definitely post a shot tomorrow or the next day... :)

Thanks again for your advice, comments, etc. Hoping to get her back tomorrow or Tues at the latest.

Rachelle
 
FYI, most state's Better Business Buearue require all dealership to have a 30 day warranty on any used vehicle they sell.

Call your local Better Business Buearue for info. They have the power to close that business in 7 days if they are at fault.
 
we bought my GT with a crack in the intake.. we test drove it that way, and it was driven a little bit after that also.. i got the GT cheap :)

replaced it with a metal intake.. all good :)

the car has 118k miles on it and you'd never know it. the problem we had with the crack was taht it killed the alternator spraying antifreeze on it