• Mustang Forums
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech

Dart Iron Block

  • Thread starter Thread starter Shaolin Crane
  • Start date Start date Dec 3, 2008

Shaolin Crane

Banned
Oct 6, 2008
2,627
7
0
Kommiefornia
Dec 3, 2008
#1
  • Dec 3, 2008
  • #1
i have a chance to get a used dart iron block in great shape for 1K, should i run it? since im building a 347 stroker and eventually twin turbos
 

Kumm3

Founding Member
Jul 30, 2002
527
33
69
East Hartford, CT
Dec 3, 2008
#2
  • Dec 3, 2008
  • #2
Anything wrong with it? Do you know what combo the previous owner ran, or what might have happened that he is selling it now?

If all checks out, i would definitely grab it. See if he will let a machine shop give it a once over, even a visual inspection by a reputable machinist should give you the answer you need.
 
3

347HO

Member
Jan 13, 2008
462
2
16
Seattle
Dec 3, 2008
#3
  • Dec 3, 2008
  • #3
What are the dimensions now, not before the previous owner had it machined?
Iron Eagle or Sportsman? Both are nice IMO, but the IE is much a better value at that price.
You should be looking for a bore not greater than 4.155" finished.
You might want to consider having the 302 size mains.
Look for broken studs.
 

Shaolin Crane

Banned
Oct 6, 2008
2,627
7
0
Kommiefornia
Dec 3, 2008
#4
  • Dec 3, 2008
  • #4
from everything i can tell its in perfect condition im just waiting on more info about the block
 

Shaolin Crane

Banned
Oct 6, 2008
2,627
7
0
Kommiefornia
Dec 3, 2008
#5
  • Dec 3, 2008
  • #5
Kumm3 said:
Anything wrong with it? Do you know what combo the previous owner ran, or what might have happened that he is selling it now?

If all checks out, i would definitely grab it. See if he will let a machine shop give it a once over, even a visual inspection by a reputable machinist should give you the answer you need.
Click to expand...

as far as i can tell hes a shop because he has new and used blocks, boss dart new and used, and if i buy any block im going to have it inspected or im not going to buy it.
 
B

bentley429

Banned
Nov 25, 2004
528
3
0
Connecticut
Dec 3, 2008
#6
  • Dec 3, 2008
  • #6
Either sportsman or iron eagle both are good. The IE is the better of the two but is not needed if your asking for more info on it, no offense. The sportsman is good for 1500 hp I believe. They are rated at continuous use, not a 7 8 or 9 second pass. If all is well with it jump on it. Very good foundation, good luck.
 

Shaolin Crane

Banned
Oct 6, 2008
2,627
7
0
Kommiefornia
Dec 4, 2008
#7
  • Dec 4, 2008
  • #7
bentley429 said:
Either sportsman or iron eagle both are good. The IE is the better of the two but is not needed if your asking for more info on it, no offense. The sportsman is good for 1500 hp I believe. They are rated at continuous use, not a 7 8 or 9 second pass. If all is well with it jump on it. Very good foundation, good luck.
Click to expand...

good thing the car is for drifting and road racing
 

NIKwoaC

中國製造
15 Year Member
Oct 31, 2006
5,525
943
214
Chengdu Province
Dec 4, 2008
#8
  • Dec 4, 2008
  • #8
347HO said:
What are the dimensions now, not before the previous owner had it machined?
Iron Eagle or Sportsman? Both are nice IMO, but the IE is much a better value at that price.
You should be looking for a bore not greater than 4.155" finished.
You might want to consider having the 302 size mains.
Look for broken studs.
Click to expand...

Wow, I had no idea the Dart blocks could be bored out so large, I was under the assumption that max was 4.125", but now looking at the specs I see you can get away with a full 4.185".

My only worry is that pistons in those bore sizes would be expensive, but 1000$ is killer for a Dart block, so what you'd save there you could probably still be under budget with some expensive oversize pistons.
 
3

347HO

Member
Jan 13, 2008
462
2
16
Seattle
Dec 4, 2008
#9
  • Dec 4, 2008
  • #9
NikwoaC said:
Wow, I had no idea the Dart blocks could be bored out so large, I was under the assumption that max was 4.125", but now looking at the specs I see you can get away with a full 4.185".

My only worry is that pistons in those bore sizes would be expensive, but 1000$ is killer for a Dart block, so what you'd save there you could probably still be under budget with some expensive oversize pistons.
Click to expand...
4.185" bore is Dart's suggested maximum bore.
There are many people taking them out past that with success.

My World Man o' War block will go to 4.200".

4.155" piston is actually one of the most common bore size, and there are many, many, many compression height, ring options, pin options for these pistons.
These pistons can be had for far less than 1000.00. Of course they will be OTS type, such as Probe, JE, Wiseco, Ross, Mahle, etc....

The only reason I said 4.155" max bore "finished" with an 8.2" deck block is, that would be the largest "cookie cutter" 347ci sbf.
 

Shaolin Crane

Banned
Oct 6, 2008
2,627
7
0
Kommiefornia
Dec 4, 2008
#10
  • Dec 4, 2008
  • #10
well if i get this block i may sell this 347 kit and go much larger 408 maybe 427
 

NIKwoaC

中國製造
15 Year Member
Oct 31, 2006
5,525
943
214
Chengdu Province
Dec 4, 2008
#11
  • Dec 4, 2008
  • #11
347HO said:
4.185" bore is Dart's suggested maximum bore.
There are many people taking them out past that with success.

My World Man o' War block will go to 4.200".

4.155" piston is actually one of the most common bore size, and there are many, many, many compression height, ring options, pin options for these pistons.
These pistons can be had for far less than 1000.00. Of course they will be OTS type, such as Probe, JE, Wiseco, Ross, Mahle, etc....

The only reason I said 4.155" max bore "finished" with an 8.2" deck block is, that would be the largest "cookie cutter" 347ci sbf.
Click to expand...

Are head gasket sealing concerns an issue at that bore size (4.200")? I've always been curious.

If bore spacing is 4.38", that means you've only got .180" between holes. Doesn't seem like much.
 
3

347HO

Member
Jan 13, 2008
462
2
16
Seattle
Dec 4, 2008
#12
  • Dec 4, 2008
  • #12
NikwoaC said:
Are head gasket sealing concerns an issue at that bore size (4.200")? I've always been curious.

If bore spacing is 4.38", that means you've only got .180" between holes. Doesn't seem like much.
Click to expand...
Well, I'm no engineer... I don't want to lie to you, but IMO and experience, the larger the bore, the closer to the clamping force you become.
Now, most "good" to "best" cylinder heads have thick, thick decks which provides very good rigidity. That helps too.

I direct you to those who bore "Mexican" blocks to 4.060". Some Hardblock to control ring sealing... good to go!

To be sure, I would sonic check before going to max bore.
I'm not sure on the depth "saimese" bores are solid to... but that will make a difference over an OE block.
In this situation, I would be more interested in ring sealing over temperature increase.

To the OP... if you're now thinking of going to 408 or larger, the 9.5" deck should be considered.
 

Shaolin Crane

Banned
Oct 6, 2008
2,627
7
0
Kommiefornia
Dec 4, 2008
#13
  • Dec 4, 2008
  • #13
he says it has a 1000 miles and it looks to be so too, bore is 4.030 and deck hight is 8.2 and the block just went through a fresh machine, any chance the block is stolen and if so are there numbers to verify so, i was only saying that because i didnt know they deck height, now that i do and that its had a fresh machine to 4.030 then i'll keep my stroker kit cause that will also save me machine costs as well
 

Shaolin Crane

Banned
Oct 6, 2008
2,627
7
0
Kommiefornia
Dec 4, 2008
#14
  • Dec 4, 2008
  • #14
oh yeah and its an iron eagle
 

Shaolin Crane

Banned
Oct 6, 2008
2,627
7
0
Kommiefornia
Jan 15, 2009
#15
  • Jan 15, 2009
  • #15
i know its kinda old now but i did pick up the block and its beautiful
 

FastDriver

I was uncomfortably high & wearing a helmet
SN Certified Technician
Sep 5, 2001
6,065
2,670
224
Vass, NC
Jan 15, 2009
#16
  • Jan 15, 2009
  • #16
Shaolin Crane said:
i know its kinda old now but i did pick up the block and its beautiful
Click to expand...

Does it look like this?




So call me a pic whore
 

Shaolin Crane

Banned
Oct 6, 2008
2,627
7
0
Kommiefornia
Jan 15, 2009
#17
  • Jan 15, 2009
  • #17
no.....mine doesnt look all dirty
 

Shaolin Crane

Banned
Oct 6, 2008
2,627
7
0
Kommiefornia
Jan 15, 2009
#18
  • Jan 15, 2009
  • #18






 

Attachments

  • DSC01312.webp
    22.8 KB · Views: 132
  • DSC01313.webp
    34.6 KB · Views: 133
  • DSC01314.webp
    24 KB · Views: 131
  • DSC01315.webp
    30.6 KB · Views: 136
  • DSC01316.webp
    19.7 KB · Views: 133
  • DSC01317.webp
    36.3 KB · Views: 132
  • DSC01318.webp
    16.8 KB · Views: 127

FastDriver

I was uncomfortably high & wearing a helmet
SN Certified Technician
Sep 5, 2001
6,065
2,670
224
Vass, NC
Jan 15, 2009
#19
  • Jan 15, 2009
  • #19
Dirty!?!? Why I oughtta

Nice find. If I found a deal like that on an Iron Eagle, I'd ****** it up. You probably saved yourself about $1600-2000 between the new cost of the block and machining.
 

Shaolin Crane

Banned
Oct 6, 2008
2,627
7
0
Kommiefornia
Jan 15, 2009
#20
  • Jan 15, 2009
  • #20
yeah it was a deal especially cause all the machine work was done, now i just gotta get some more time to install my Probe dominator 347 stroker kit and finish the rest of the damn thing
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

P
Engine Mysterious coolant leak at back of engine
  • palerider94
  • Jan 18, 2026
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
1
Views
165
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Jan 19, 2026
AeroCoupe
Engine Felpro 9333 pt1 (with 8psi boost)
  • JD1964
  • Jan 14, 2026
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
18
Views
652
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Feb 1, 2026
Qtrhrse23
Q
Engine on3 Conversion to draw through MAF?
  • sav22rem22
  • Oct 11, 2025
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
2
Views
250
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Oct 11, 2025
sav22rem22
S
Block questions
  • s_vargas54
  • Jan 25, 2026
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • 2
Replies
21
Views
640
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Feb 8, 2026
Trogdor
J
Help Figuring Motor Choice(Possible future turbo)?
  • jaygee15
  • Dec 14, 2025
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
13
Views
479
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Jan 3, 2026
Jarhead67
J
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?