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derrick gil

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Does the egr valve need to be hooked up if you are not using the smog pump?
 

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Yes, they are different systems and have different operations

If you still have cats, you should be running the smog pump anyway
 

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The EGR and smog pump arer two different and separate systems.

Some basic theory to clarify how things work is in order…

The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance. The addition of exhaust gas drops combustion temperature, increases gas mileage and reduces the tendency of the engine to ping. It can also reduce HC emissions by reducing fuel consumption. The primary result of EGR usage is a reduction in NOx emissions.

The EGR system has a vacuum source (line from the intake manifold) that goes to the EVR, computer operated electronic vacuum regulator. The EVR is located on the back of the passenger side shock strut tower. The computer uses RPM, Load. and some other factors to tell the EVR to pass vacuum to open the EGR valve. The EGR valve and the passages in the heads and intake manifold route exhaust gas to the EGR spacer (throttle body spacer). The EGR sensor tells the computer how far the EGR valve is open. Then computer adjusts the signal sent to the EVR to hold, increase or decrease the vacuum. The computer adds spark advance to compensate for the recirculated gases and the slower rate they burn at.




Troubleshooting:
There should be no vacuum at the EGR valve when at idle. If there is, the EVR (electronic vacuum regulator) mounted on the backside of the passenger side wheelwell is suspect. Check the vacuum line plumbing to make sure the previous owner didn’t cross the vacuum lines.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds. (the diagram says 88 GT, but the EGR part is the same for 86-93 Mustangs)


The EGR sensor is basically a variable resistor, like the volume control on a radio. One end is 5 volt VREF power from the computer (red/orange wire). One end is computer signal ground (black/white), and the middle wire (brown/lt green) is the signal output from the EGR sensor. It is designed to always have some small voltage output from it anytime the ignition switch is the Run position. That way the computer knows the sensor & the wiring is OK. No voltage on computer pin 27 (brown/lt green wire) and the computer thinks the sensor is bad or the wire is broken and sets code 31. The voltage output can range from approximately .6-.85 volt.


EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.
connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve
apply 5in vacuum to the valve.
if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.
if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.
if engine stumbled, connect vacuum gauge to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 2-5 in vacuum?

if not, check for manifold vacuum at the EGR vacuum valve.
if you have manifold vacuum then connect vacuum gauge to the EGR valve side of the vacuum valve and snap throttle to 2500 RPM.
should read about 2-5 in vacuum


Late Model Restoration has the Ford Racing M-12071-N302 kit with the EGR valve & sensor along with the ACT & ECT sensors for $45. See * * * N/A * * * 86-93 SENSOR KIT, 5.0L EFI, INCLUDES EGR VALVE & SENSOR, COOLANT TEMP SENSOR, & AIR CHARGE TEMP SENSOR MUSTANG for more details



Thermactor Air System
Some review of how it works...

The Thermactor air pump (smog pump) supplies air to the heads or catalytic converters. This air helps break down the excess HC (hydrocarbons) and CO (carbon monoxide). The air supplied to the catalytic converters helps create the catalytic reaction that changes the HC & CO into CO2 and water vapor. Catalytic converters on 5.0 Mustangs are designed to use the extra air provided by the smog pump. Without the extra air, the catalytic converters will clog and fail.

The Thermactor air pump draws air from an inlet filter in the front of the pump. The smog pump puts air into the heads when the engine is cold and then into the catalytic converters when it is warm. The Thermactor control valves serve to direct the flow. The first valve, TAB (Thermactor Air Bypass) or AM1 valve) either dumps air to the atmosphere or passes it on to the second valve. The second valve, TAD (Thermactor Air Diverter valve or AM2 valve) directs it to the heads or the catalytic converters. Check valves located after the TAB & TAD solenoids prevent hot exhaust gases from damaging the control valves or pump in case of a backfire. The air serves to help consume any unburned hydrocarbons by supplying extra oxygen to the catalytic process. The computer tells the Thermactor Air System to open the Bypass valve at WOT (wide open throttle) minimizing engine drag. This dumps the pump's output to the atmosphere, and reduces the parasitic drag caused by the smog pump to about 2-4 HP at WOT. The Bypass valve also opens during deceleration to reduce or prevent backfires.






Computer operation & control for the Thermactor Air System
Automobile computers use current sink technology. They do not source power to any relay, solenoid or actuator like the IAC, fuel pump relay, or fuel injectors. Instead the computer provides a ground path for the positive battery voltage to get back to the battery negative terminal. That flow of power from positive to negative is what provides the energy to make the IAC, fuel pump relay, or fuel injectors work. No ground provided by the computer, then the actuators and relays don't operate.

One side of the any relay/actuator/solenoid in the engine compartment will be connected to a red wire that has 12-14 volts anytime the ignition switch is in the run position. The other side will have 12-14 volts when the relay/actuator/solenoid isn't turned on. Once the computer turns on the clamp side, the voltage on the computer side of the wire will drop down to 1 volt or less.

In order to test the TAD/TAB solenoids, you need to ground the white/red wire on the TAB solenoid or the light green/black wire on the TAD solenoid.

For 94-95 cars: the colors are different. The White/Red wire (TAB control) is White/Orange (Pin 31 on the PCM). The Green/Black wire (TAD control) should be Brown (pin 34 at the PCM). Thanks to HISSIN50 for this tip.

To test the computer, you can use a test light across the TAB or TAD wiring connectors and dump the codes. When you dump the codes, the computer does a self test that toggles every relay/actuator/solenoid on and off. When this happens, the test light will flicker.
 

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As others have said the EGR and Smog system are two separate and distinct systems. So you can, and should, run EGR even if you delete the smog.
 

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Why does everyone hate the EGR so much?

Let's start deleting the water pump, or perhaps the injectors next.
 

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Mustang5L5 said:
Why does everyone hate the EGR so much?

Let's start deleting the water pump, or perhaps the injectors next.
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I know...LOL
 

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Mustang5L5 said:
Why does everyone hate the EGR so much?

Let's start deleting the water pump, or perhaps the injectors next.
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EGR system tends to heat soak the intake
 

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I'm building a 4cyl swap and don't think i have the means of hooking the EGR up... I was going to leave the EGR vac stuff off, run cats with the smog so i can pass emissions
 

Mr. Rustypwnz

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Idk if its just me, but i took the smog pump off my old car with the cats still on and the h-pipe got so hot it was melting the undercoating off, I put my o/r pipe on and it was fine..

maybe with cats you HAVE to run the pump?
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
Why does everyone hate the EGR so much?

Let's start deleting the water pump, or perhaps the injectors next.
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i took off the egr, smog pumg, and all the other emmissions **** off from my 84 gt350. i realize im not going to have a huge gain in horsepower and its not that i hate it i just took it off cuz its less things to go wrong and it gets rid of cluter under the hood and you dont need it. it also gets rie of about 30 pounds under the hood
 

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Boostedpimp said:
EGR system tends to heat soak the intake
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So does the engine.


No matter what you do...go for a long enough drive and everything under the hood is going to be the same temperature. if you delete the EGR for the sake of keeping the intake cool...well then you got the engine underneath heatsoaking the intake as well
 

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So does the engine.
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LOL haha
 

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slow95gt said:
LOL haha
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that video in your sig is AWESOME!
 

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Mustang5L5 said:
So does the engine.


No matter what you do...go for a long enough drive and everything under the hood is going to be the same temperature. if you delete the EGR for the sake of keeping the intake cool...well then you got the engine underneath heatsoaking the intake as well
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But seriously though, have you ever data logged your car? Did you happen to noticed how when the egr kicks in your inlet temps jump 30 to 40 degrees higher in under a full minute. Why because the egr is dumping hot spent air back in with your cool air coming from your sexy new bbk or mac cold air intake that you spent your hard earned moneys on. So to me which enjoys cars/trucks with turbos preventing any additional heat under the hood and in your inlet stream tends to be important
 
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What i did when i deleted the smog pump and the egr, i decided i should have deleted the upper intake, with no questions asked, i passed the DEQ. also, please note, i may have been drinking a little bit but in the end my judgement was on point.
 
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