Engine Build Questions

[Stopsign32v]

ive said it once before its the additional weight from what i can see swapping in everything i need to put a 351w in the front would bump the front end weight about 200lbs when your drifting i need the car to be as balanced as possible.

I'm sorry I didn't know you were building the car to drift. I figured we were doing this to actually go fast. My mistake, yes in that case go with a 302 oh mighty drifter.

Psssst, btw the difference in the weight between the two motors would not be 200lbs.

 

[Shaolin Crane]

I'm sorry I didn't know you were building the car to drift. I figured we were doing this to actually go fast. My mistake, yes in that case go with a 302 oh mighty drifter.

Psssst, btw the difference in the weight between the two motors would not be 200lbs.

fine whatever if its 20lbs or 200lbs it would still be a definat weight change forcing me to change the springs,swaybars, struts, on top of all the stuff required to change over to a 351 so i say it again im keeping the 302 let me say it once more IM KEEPING THE 302

 

[thumper460]

LOL... the 302 is one strong running engine.. the oiling system is above the large crank journal on the W engine. and the ability to absorb the abuse( racing) in stock (ish) form is better for the slides, and twisties..

Just me........................................

Thumper

PS Have you seen they Mercedes commercial?? Now see that all that 451HP does...LOL!! Sweet!!

 

[strtrcr50]

no its not i can argue reason all day long why i want a 302 but im not going to

I'm another one who would rather have a 302 than a 351. If people ever start buying cars again so I can make some money, I'll get a boss block, but in the meantime, I'll stay with a ford 302 roller.
I don't like cowl hoods, don't feel like playing with brackets to make it fit, don't want the extra weight on the front end, I'm not sure if a vortech will clear the hood. You pays your money and you makes your choices. To each their own.

If I had a question regarding turbo cars, I'd ask over at turbomustangs.com FWIW, I believe Millhouse on here is running on a stock shortblock with a homebuilt twin turbo setup and is over 450 hp with no problems.

 

[Stopsign32v]

So are we putting a turbo on this car because the other drifters, the ones with 4 cylinders have this turbo thing? Are we trying to fit in?

 

[Shaolin Crane]

no just because im a turbo man, all three of my trucks have turbos, my boat has twin rajay turbos from banks, i have far more expirience with turbos, i never said anything about the other drivers running turbos and that persuading my decision, im not turned off to say running a kenne bell but turbos are just what i prefer

 

[Black1987Stang]

your block wont crack at 400-450 hp. I had at least 430 at the crank. I can think of how many people i know of who are close to 500hp. For people to say its gonna crack at 400 hp is rediculous. Just my opinion

Agreed, just cuz someone's block went at 400 hp doesn't mean yours is....there's way too many variables.....engine balance, rpm, what kind of power adder, quality of the parts used, and the tune all effects if somethings going to blow at what power level.

 

[strtrcr50]

Shaolin Crane, try PM'ing Millhouse
Have fun smacking up the ricers at their own game.

 

[Shaolin Crane]

Shaolin Crane, try PM'ing Millhouse
Have fun smacking up the ricers at their own game.

you know what i will, but as soon as i get some crappier tires , the hoosier road race 275/40zr17's i got provide waaaaaayy too much traction too drift, so much in fact that i cant even lock up the brakes on my car but i'll soon downgrade to some falkens or something.

 

[strtrcr50]

I don't know if you've ever seen this kit, but I've never seen anything but a rave review of it..

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[Shaolin Crane]

i have seen that kit and was very much leaning towards it

 

[Joey7508]

I just got my turbo kit tuned . It is a Hellion heat kit. Has one 60mm turbo. I have a bone stock block out (explorer left overs). Trick flow heads and street intake an f303 cam. Thats about it. My problem when tuning the car was simply I ran out of fuel. I have 42# injectors, c&l maf, and a 255 intank pump. With 7# of boost mad 498.9 rwhp, and 559.8 pounds of torque. All at 4600 rpm. I don't know how long it will live with that much power, but my plans are to put together a boss302 based bottom end and up the fuel system. During the tune the hp was as high as 525-550. I was getting nervous because it is a hyperutectic 302 ci explorer bottom end . But it made what it made. And with only 7#s. I wish I would have known that a long time ago. I would have built a balanced girdled stock motor and blown through the stock intake, heads, throttle body, and sill made 500 hp with a little more boost.
The real problem with 500 hp is that everything else needs to be ready for that much power. The last thing you want is to try and feed that through a stock t5 and rear end. Speaking of rears turbo cars like their gear ratios some where in the 3.08-3.55 range gives the tiurbo a chance to spool up. I am running 3.55 and am about to go to 3.27. I have a viperspec t56 in between.
I read this some where not trying to offend but it said "Drifting is like ballet for cars, and last time I checked ballet is still gay!"

 

[FastDriver]

On my old TT setup, I made a modest 420 rwhp at 9psi for about 5 years and around 20k miles. As long as your block isn't over the hill on mileage, it'll take boost just fine. Don't even think about blowing your money on another stock block or forged internals.... That's just pissing it away without reason. If you want forged stuff, then by all means do it, but use some reason and find a used R302, A4, old Boss302, or a new aftermarket block from dart, world products, or FMS. However, keep in mind that all of these blocks outweigh a stocker by 70-100 lbs (possibly excepting the old Boss).

Chris

 

[Shaolin Crane]

I just got my turbo kit tuned . It is a Hellion heat kit. Has one 60mm turbo. I have a bone stock block out (explorer left overs). Trick flow heads and street intake an f303 cam. Thats about it. My problem when tuning the car was simply I ran out of fuel. I have 42# injectors, c&l maf, and a 255 intank pump. With 7# of boost mad 498.9 rwhp, and 559.8 pounds of torque. All at 4600 rpm. I don't know how long it will live with that much power, but my plans are to put together a boss302 based bottom end and up the fuel system. During the tune the hp was as high as 525-550. I was getting nervous because it is a hyperutectic 302 ci explorer bottom end . But it made what it made. And with only 7#s. I wish I would have known that a long time ago. I would have built a balanced girdled stock motor and blown through the stock intake, heads, throttle body, and sill made 500 hp with a little more boost.
The real problem with 500 hp is that everything else needs to be ready for that much power. The last thing you want is to try and feed that through a stock t5 and rear end. Speaking of rears turbo cars like their gear ratios some where in the 3.08-3.55 range gives the tiurbo a chance to spool up. I am running 3.55 and am about to go to 3.27. I have a viperspec t56 in between.
I read this some where not trying to offend but it said "Drifting is like ballet for cars, and last time I checked ballet is still gay!"

well i disagree i think drifitng is like martial arts, it may not be as fast moving as other sports but it still requires the same amount of power with twice as much skill. look at it how you guys want i never said the car was ment only for drifting but i said thats its main purpose it still sees the track when i feel like going and waiting for hours to get 2 runs, and i still road race the cars at open track events by my house.

 

[Joey7508]

I am just messing with you. It is all good. My deal is if it requires a motor and wheels it alright by me.

 

[Shaolin Crane]

its cool, i just want to destroy ricers at any game they wanna play