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need help please.

My car failed smog yestarday,no vacuum to egr.
So I went and got another evr and now it has vacuum all the time.
I know the voltage on the red wire is 12-14 volts.
But what about the green wire # 33 I think for the cpu.
Can someone shine some light on this for me?
Thanks,Eddie
 
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if i am not mistaken it is a duty cycled solinoid. So if you put your meter on the other side youll probably see 1/2 voltage on the other wire so about 6. when it is commanded on. For some reason your evr is commanded on all the time. I wouldnt rule out a bad evr quite yet. Just make sure you dont have a short to the ground since on the other side. If you dont i would try another evr and see what happens if you do i would repair that ground.
 
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I looked at the wiring and I don't see a ground there.
The green goes to the puter. the red is hot.
Is the ground at the puter?
The first one didn't open at all now this one wont close???
I will keep lookin.
The green wire also has 12-14 volts on it if that helps.
Thanks for the help!
Eddie
 
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Is it possible you hooked up the vacuum lines incorrectly when you switched evr's?
 
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Thanks, no checked that already.
When I checked the voltage on #33 it is also 12-14 volts.
Good point!
Next!!
 

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h8louzn said:
I looked at the wiring and I don't see a ground there.
The green goes to the puter. the red is hot.
Is the ground at the puter?
The first one didn't open at all now this one wont close???
I will keep lookin.
The green wire also has 12-14 volts on it if that helps.
Thanks for the help!
Eddie
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The computer provides the ground. It switches the green wire from battery voltage to ground many times a second. Varying the duty cycle changes the vacuum output.

Diagram courtsey of Tmoss &Stang&2birds.


See http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/ for more info
 

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But I can read volatge from the green wire to ground.
That's what I don't understand.
Could it be a bad groung at the computer?
Thanks for the help.
 
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Also I don't think I should see voltage on the green wire at Idle correct?
Maybe I got a bad computer?
 
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I am assuming your putting the meter on ground and the other on the green wire. With engine running at idle youll see voltage at the ground because there is no ground. I dont know if this makes sense. You are providing the ground with your meter. If you had a ground the solinoid would drop the voltage and wouldnt show voltage. (since its a duty cycle solinoid your meter wont refresh fast enough so you will see voltage when its on itll probably be around 6 or so..) You may have just got a bad solinoid that is mechanicaly stuck open. Unplug the evr and remove it and see if you can blow through one of the ports out the other. If you can blow through it then the solinoid is stuck open and you need a new one.
Hope this helps
 
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Thanks,
I will try that later this afternoon.
Thanks Again,Eddie
 
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you no problem let me know how it goes
 
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Well it looks like the one I got was stuck open!
And while I was looking at all the vac lines there I also found out that I have no Vac. to the pump or the valve!
Guess I know why car didn't pass smog now.
Anyone want a clean notch!
More work to come I guess.
 
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h8louzn said:
Well it looks like the one I got was stuck open!
And while I was looking at all the vac lines there I also found out that I have no Vac. to the pump or the valve!
Guess I know why car didn't pass smog now.
Anyone want a clean notch!
More work to come I guess.
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congrats on finding your problem though
 
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Yea thanks for the help.
 
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Well now I need lots of help.
I checked all the wires, checked all the lines,replaced the evr,and the other 2 selonids under it with working ones. Still nothing.
I still have no vacuum to the smog pump or check valve.
Does the water temp sensor control these thru the ecu?
Any insight to this would help.
Also does anyone know what the temp sensor should read in ohms?
Thanks,Eddie
Thanks Eddie
 
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Some basic theory to clarify how things work is in order…

The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance. The addition of exhaust gas drops combustion temperature, increases gas mileage and reduces the tendency of the engine to ping. It can also reduce HC emissions by reducing fuel consumption.

The EGR system has a vacuum source (line from the intake manifold) that goes to the EVR, computer operated electronic vacuum regulator. The EVR is located on the back of the passenger side shock strut tower. The EGR valve and the passages in the heads and intake manifold route exhaust gas to the EGR spacer (throttle body spacer). The computer uses RPM, Load. and some other factors to tell the EVR to pass vacuum to open the EGR valve. The EGR sensor tells the computer how far the EGR valve is open. Then computer adjusts the signal sent to the EVR to hold, increase or decrease the vacuum. The computer adds spark advance to compensate for the recirculated gases and the slower rate they burn at.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds.


The EGR sensor is basically a variable resistor, like the volume control on a radio. One end is 5 volt VREF power from the computer (red/orange wire). One end is computer signal ground (black/white), and the middle wire (brown/lt green) is the signal output from the EGR sensor. It is designed to always have some small voltage output from it anytime the ignition switch is the Run position. That way the computer knows the sensor & the wiring is OK. No voltage on computer pin 27 (brown/lt green wire) and the computer thinks the sensor is bad or the wire is broken and sets code 31. The voltage output can range from approximately .6-.85 volt.

EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.
connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve
apply 5in vacuum to the valve.
if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.
if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.
if engine stumbled, connect vacuum gauge to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 5in vacuum?

if not, check for manifold vacuum at the EGR vacuum valve.
if you have manifold vacuum then connect vacuum gauge to the EGR valve side of the vacuum valve and snap throttle to 2500 RPM.
should read about 5in vacuum
 
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Thanks for the help with the egr stuff.
Now can you please tell me why the other 2 sensors below it dont work either?
I have vaccum to them but nothing commin out of them.
I have replaced them and still nothing.
I take it they work the same as the one above it.
Any help would be great as I have to have it done and smoged by 6-1.
Thanks Eddie
 

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What 2 other sensors & what codes are you getting?
 
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