• Mustang Forums
  • 1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk-
  • Classic Mustang Specific Tech

Extreme toploader help--Dhearne et el

  • Thread starter Thread starter dennis112
  • Start date Start date Sep 29, 2008

dennis112

15 Year Member
May 15, 2005
1,561
36
79
Amish Wonderland of Central PA.
Sep 29, 2008
#1
  • Sep 29, 2008
  • #1
Over the winter I want to update my SBF toploader to big block specs. I am going to use the 1 3/8" wide ratio "long" input shaft, the appropriate bearing and the throwout bearing snout. I pretty much have the front covered and I am fairly knowledgeable about the toploader workings. I am also familiar with David Kee's wonderful toploader website.

My question concerns the tailshaft housing needed to install the new 31 spline output shaft. I currently have the C4ZR Mustang tailshaft housing that was used in most 64-73 SBF Mustangs--Rear shifter and 14" long. Do I need to purchase a different tailshaft housing in order to swap to the 31 spline shaft??? Is this as simple as a bushing swap or will I be buying another housing? Can I machine my housing so that the bushing and seal will fit?
 
D

D.Hearne

New Member
Sep 29, 2000
11,730
6
0
south louisiana
Sep 29, 2008
#2
  • Sep 29, 2008
  • #2
Pretty sure the tailshaft housing's are different to accomodate the bigger output shaft diameter. Never had one of these creatures in hand. Closest thing was the 390 transmissions. Give David Kee a call he'll know. The big block tailhousing mounts the shifter about 4" farther forward than the SBF Mustang tail. David's got new tails with both bolt patterns drilled and tapped. Sort of a universal tailhousing. I ran the small block transmissions behind my 427 and never had trouble, but then I never subjected it to hard dry burnouts with sticky tires either.The guy I sold the car to did blow the trans and a 9" rear with a button clutch and M/T 50 series tires at the drag strip.
 

DK832

New Member
Apr 11, 2006
291
0
0
Copenhagen, DK
Sep 30, 2008
#3
  • Sep 30, 2008
  • #3
Might want to call Toploader Heaven too. VERY helpful and VERY knowledgeable. Has some great descriptions with pictures on 'how-to'.
 

dennis112

15 Year Member
May 15, 2005
1,561
36
79
Amish Wonderland of Central PA.
Sep 30, 2008
#4
  • Sep 30, 2008
  • #4
HP +stick shift + drag slicks = an expensive pile of scrap

OK, thanks guys. I too have had and built ots of toploaders, but all of them were SBF or 390 based. I do believe that it probably takes a different tail housing, but was confused in that the forward shifted BB housings that were mentioned used the same casing #'s for both 28 and 31 splines.

I've reached the point with my car where it is time to upgrade the both the SB tranny and the rear. In the last 2 weekends at the track I've done this to my toploader:



And this to my 31 spline 9" rear:





Luckily I had another input shaft on hand and that was a quick cheap (and probably temporary) repair.

I since replaced the axles and the True Trac with 33 spline Moser stuff--including a spool so I should have that beefed up enough for the time being. I also got the new axles lengthened so that they take advantage of using more of the splines.
 

Attachments

  • Twistedinputshaft005.webp
    27.3 KB · Views: 145
  • BrokenineInch002.webp
    28.1 KB · Views: 160
  • BrokenineInch016.webp
    27.5 KB · Views: 139
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

J
2004 Mustang 3.8L V6 vibrations above 65 MPH and differential leaks
  • joeybuddy96
  • Mar 16, 2026
  • SN95 V6 Mustang Tech
Replies
15
Views
453
SN95 V6 Mustang Tech Sunday at 1:36 PM
joeybuddy96
J
For Sale Borg Warner WC T5, Stock Bell Housing, RAM Clutch Set, Double Hump Cross Member, & Pro 5.0 Shifter
  • AeroCoupe
  • Aug 9, 2025
  • Drivetrain Parts
Replies
1
Views
574
Drivetrain Parts Dec 26, 2025
AeroCoupe
SN Mustang Magnum T56 swap
  • revhead347
  • May 24, 2024
  • 1994 - 1995 Specific Tech
Replies
15
Views
6K
1994 - 1995 Specific Tech Sunday at 3:20 PM
GearHeadGuy
Could not pass this up .. guess the AOD is out
  • mikestang63
  • Jun 1, 2021
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
14
Views
3K
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Jul 7, 2024
FastDriver
Progress Thread Dirty Water Racing 89 Notch Project
  • ShedBuiltMS
  • Sep 29, 2020
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • 2 3 4
Replies
64
Views
13K
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Apr 28, 2021
Flyboy60
F
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk-
  • Classic Mustang Specific Tech
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?