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I got this car about 7 months ago and it ran rich when I got it. Since getting it I have done the following under the hood ... MSD 6al E 303 75 mm throttle body 75 mm maf 19lb cold air intake super 44 flowmasters egr block off plate 9mm plug wires new cap and rotor button checked plugs they're in perfect shape under drive pulleys checked tps .96 there is no emissions on the car it has a 302. Thanks for any suggestions.
 

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Codes?
 
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gearheadboy said:
Codes?
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Have not checked for codes beacause I can't find a code reader for a 88 do you know where I can get one
 
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Other than running rich the car is perfect no hesitation starting or running no funny idle either
 

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Dump the codes: Codes may be present even if the Check Engine Light (CEL) isn't on.

Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 26-July-2011. Added need to make sure the clutch is pressed when dumping codes.

Codes may be present even if the check engine light hasn’t come on, so be sure to check for them.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Post the codes you get and I will post 86-93 model 5.0 Mustang specific code definitions and fixes. I do not have a complete listing for 94-95 model 5.0 Mustangs at this time.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. On a manual transmission car, be sure to press the clutch to the floor.
Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and driveablity problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, and clutch (if present) is pressed to the floor, and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Your 86-88 5.0 won't have a working Check Engine Light, so you'll need a test light.
See AutoZone Part Number: 25886 , $10




Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
 

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f8tlfiveo

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What makes you think it is running rich?it stinks because there is no egr or emissions equipment on the vehicle. This is something you cannot change unless you put that stuff back on.
 

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and I'm sure the cam is no help
 
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f8tlfiveo said:
What makes you think it is running rich?it stinks because there is no egr or emissions equipment on the vehicle. This is something you cannot change unless you put that stuff back on.
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my thoughts exactly. he didn't spell it right out but usually the folks that delete the egr delete all the smog equipment and pull the cats too. that right there will make it smell rich when running.
 
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This helps because the cat were gone when I got it and it has always run rich. It just seem a little to rich even for the cats and smog gone. Either way I will dump codes tommorrow. Thanks everyone!!
 

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This helps because the cat were gone when I got it and it has always run rich. It just seem a little to rich even for the cats and smog gone. Either way I will dump codes tommorrow. Thanks everyone!!
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for what its worth mine has the cats deleted too and i cannot be outside with it running without a decent wind. otherwise i am covered in fumes. many have debated that it was not the lack of cats that makes it stink, only thing i can figure is to put in nw oxygen sensors and hope thats it. otherwise cats go back in.
 

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mustang 88 said:
Have not checked for codes beacause I can't find a code reader for a 88 do you know where I can get one
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http://www.mytoolsforyou.com/automotive-tools/INN-3145.html?gclid=CIDQiom16rQCFYd9OgodKikAJw

1988 has no check engine light.

You mention MAF, so i assume this is a cali car or a MAF-converted car? Who did the conversion
 
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mustang 88 said:
I got this car about 7 months ago and it ran rich when I got it. Since getting it I have done the following under the hood ... MSD 6al E 303 75 mm throttle body 75 mm maf 19lb cold air intake super 44 flowmasters egr block off plate 9mm plug wires new cap and rotor button checked plugs they're in perfect shape under drive pulleys checked tps .96 there is no emissions on the car it has a 302. Thanks for any suggestions.
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I have a 87 with the same problem. The good thing is that in NY any car 25 years or older
is exempt from emissions test only safety inspection. Iv'e tried everything, but in my case I think it is the combination of the E
303 cam and the 1.6 roller rockers that is doing it. Also the E303 cam is supposed to be emissions legal in 50 states, [Yeah right].
 

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mustang 88 said:
This helps because the cat were gone when I got it and it has always run rich. It just seem a little to rich even for the cats and smog gone. Either way I will dump codes tommorrow. Thanks everyone!!
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Once again, how do you know it is running rich? Do you have a wideband sensor?
 

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Just for the records, my 88 Cali car w/MAF has no cats, or air pump. It does have EGR. When I bought it the exhaust was nautious but after cleaning the IAC, setting the TPS and throttle plate, cleaning the MAF, and replacing the IAT and coolant temp sensor, it does not smell or burn your eyes anymore.
 
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f8tlfiveo said:
Once again, how do you know it is running rich? Do you have a wideband sensor?
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The smell is very strong almost like raw gas poured out on the ground
 
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Just for the records, my 88 Cali car w/MAF has no cats, or air pump. It does have EGR. When I bought it the exhaust was nautious but after cleaning the IAC, setting the TPS and throttle plate, cleaning the MAF, and replacing the IAT and coolant temp sensor, it does not smell or burn your eyes anymore.
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I have new IAC tps is .96 new throttle body throttle plate mass air and what is a IAT?
 

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So does mine.. But I have a wideband, and at idle it is actually more on the lean side.. Anywhere from 15-16:1..14.7 is stoich.
 

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mustang 88 said:
I have new IAC tps is .96 new throttle body throttle plate mass air and what is a IAT?
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Intake Air Temperature sensor.
 
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Intake Air Temperature sensor.
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Think I'll change the IAT onlty thing that I haven't done. Thanks maybe this is the problem.
 
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Have you checked te map/bap sensor? or pulled any codes?
 
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