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Finally Started!!!!! Won't Idle???

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Yobi1Kanobi

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Well I finally got the car started. It sounds awesome but it wont stay on or idle???

I am running it on a stock tune.

I am runing it with an AIR ADJUSTER from IST, with a 42# MAF and 36# inj. I added .12 volt like instructed.

It would run better when I would turn the distributer counter clockwise.

I tried spout out and spout in both with about the same results.

What did you guy experience with your initial startup???

Anyways I am happy I had good oil pressure and it started up.
 

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Try to get the timing down if you are able to. Then try to set your idle, try this: '94-'95

Begin with a cold vehicle. The idea here is to get the car to a firm cold idle with enough air bleed capacity left in the idle circuit for IAC adjustment.

The idle stop should be set first. Back out the idle stop screw, away from the bell crank arm, until about 1/2 turn past the point where it no longer makes contact (blade fully closed). Using an 0.010" feeler guage, tighten until gauge just drags between screw and bell crank arm. Remove feeler gauge. Tighten screw exactly 1 1/2 turns. If the screw is very loose, put a drop of loc-tite or silicone on it, so it doesn't work out of adjustment.

Now remove the connector to the Idle Air Controller (IAC) just on the other side of the throttle body. Start the car and allow vehicle to warm for 2 minutes. Give a small "blip" to let it settle. If it is having a hard time staying running you may have to get an assistant until you can get to the front of the car. Now open or close the air bleed screw (CCW opens) next to the IAC until the car idles at 575 to 600 rpm. For guys with aftermarket cams and an EEC tuner, you might want to idle a bit more briskly, say 650 to 675.

Obviously, this rpm range is by what the car and driver wants...ie, no set idle speed, whatever works for YOU.

Turn off the car. Now count the number of turns clockwise to close on the idle air bleed screw. If it falls between 1/2 and 2, it's okay, now reverse it out the same number of turns. Log the number somewhere in case you need it for the future. Reconnect the IAC. You are done.

If the air bleed screw is above 2 turns, it's a good idea to tighten the idle stop screw another 1/2 turn, then repeat the idle setting. If it is below 1/2 turn, then loosen the idle stop screw by 1/4 to 1/2 a turn, and repeat the idle setting. Be sure to put another drop of silicone RTV on the stop screw if it was disturbed. Reconnect the IAC. You are done.

Another variation for the 94-95 cars is to reset the idle in the procedure listed above and get the car to idle as low as possible with idle control OFF and the IAC unplugged. (around 600-650 rpms). Then plug the IAC back in, turn off the engine and unhook the negative battery post for 20 minutes. Then hook everything back up and put the desired settings in the PMS for idle control ON. Start with the percentage around 40% in the PMS air bypass setting and work from there. Once you set the desired idle RPM in the PMS, save and start the car. After a minute or two it should be able to control the idle.
 

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I had the same problem with not idling or staying on. Turned out to be serious vacuum leaks. My wideband read way too lean. I bought the IST air adjuster too even though I had a MAF cal'd for the 24lb injectors. I could get it to idle but it was way too rough. After I replaced the intake gaskets it idle much better and didn't even need the IST air adjuster.
 

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which way is timing down?????
 
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Counter clockwise retards timing clockwise advances it, check for vacuum leaks.
 

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So I guess Im gonna have to buy a VC oil cap?
 

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its a good idea.
 

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JOSE....I hope you remember what you are telling Yobi now


Youbel...I guess Im glad for you? (meaning, Im not glad there's problems, but glad it turned over...Im shooting for about mid-end July for my fire up!!

Thanks
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hopefully it will Idle by then

Guess I will try again when I'm not three sheets to the wind.
 

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Have you tried again?
 

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red95gtconvert said:
Counter clockwise retards timing clockwise advances it, check for vacuum leaks.
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i had that problem with mine it sure was a vacuum leak my upper intake gasket
 

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Well got a little better at it today. I covered the VC oil fill hole (dont ask). And fiddled a bit more with the timing ,IAC and MAF adjuster. Its going to take some more fiddling with but I have to turn the car around becuase I can only run the car a little bit before it fill the garage with fumes.

BTW its possible to start this thing with the stock computer tune right?
 

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yobi1kanobi said:
Well got a little better at it today. I covered the VC oil fill hole (dont ask). And fiddled a bit more with the timing ,IAC and MAF adjuster. Its going to take some more fiddling with but I have to turn the car around becuase I can only run the car a little bit before it fill the garage with fumes.
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ANY PROgress that is forward is STILL PROgress, otherwise it would be called CONgress
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I also did find a small coolant leak at the thermostat housing

Well I had to know that a few things like this would happen.
 

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I guess as long as the mass air is calibrated for those injectors you should be fine.
 

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str8stang036 said:
I guess as long as the mass air is calibrated for those injectors you should be fine.
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Its not hence that Piece of **** air adjuster.. And bad customer service...It might just go back..
 

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Well got it to kinda Idle for a little bit. It still a little rough and hunts but it at least stays on. It has a light smoking out the back might be a little break in smoking mixed in with a rich mixture that isnt helping. Anyway its getting better guys thanks. Any suggestions are welcomed.
 

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good news. do you have any sort of tuning device?
 

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str8stang036 said:
good news. do you have any sort of tuning device?
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NOPE I am trying to figure that out now.. Dont know which way I am going with that.

Your in my nieghborhood if you ever wanna stop by just let me know. Your more than welcome and there is always a cold beer on hand.
 

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Maybe I'll pass by with Rob one day, and we can check out your ride.
 
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