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qikgts

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Wonding if anyone knows who puts these together for Ford? I saw in their "sealed engine handbook" that it mentions Robert Yates as being a machining source, at least on the cylinder heads.

I'm looking at their 347 short block so I thought someone here may know.
 

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Try these guys as they probably build a better short block.

Dart 331/347/363 Short Blocks

Dart machinery based 302 shortblocks
fordstrokers.com
 
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I've seen what Woody offers. It's a great value. I think the Ford product is too. They are both about the same price right now. The only differences I can see for sure is that the Ford block may not have the same max HP capacity if a power adder was in play and I don't think Woody uses the same 1mm, 1mm, 2mm ring pack Mahle piston set that the Ford unit uses.
 

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Blueprint Engines

They cast their own/new 4-bolt blocks.
 
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I don't think Blueprint zero balances their rotating assemblies. Or sell short blocks. They also quote a 6500 RPM upper RPM limit on their stuff. I'd like to make peak power above that point.
 
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Nope, no short blocks or bare blocks.
 

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Zach at ZSR engines is who I’d be using building a new small block ford right now
 

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These days I'd try to stay local but then again I still have about 5 decent machine shops within 50 miles.
 

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Woodys short blocks are far superior to Fords in every way.
 
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Woodys short blocks are far superior to Fords in every way.
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Exactly , him or like I said Zach zsr is building some really good engines and he is also a ford only guy
 
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Depends on how much $$ you wanna spend. Max effort deal no doubt Fordstrokers or ZSR. Street car, I'm doing a Blueprint 347 for half the price.
 

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But they don’t sell a short block.
 
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Monkeybutt2000 said:
Depends on how much $$ you wanna spend. Max effort deal no doubt Fordstrokers or ZSR. Street car, I'm doing a Blueprint 347 for half the price.
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They handle things great but they can be bit of hit or miss. I am in a big block Chevy group for them and I see a lot of mixed reviews. I was looking at possibly a 540 for my 66 belair
 

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If they would just sell their block I would buy one. I read they said they are good for 700 hp. I would pay in the $900 range for the block as it would fit my existing 331 build perfectly. Want to switch to a solid roller and I need a better than stock block to do that as I’m at the 500 fwhp level now.
 

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TOOLOW91 said:
They handle things great but they can be bit of hit or miss. I am in a big block Chevy group for them and I see a lot of mixed reviews. I was looking at possibly a 540 for my 66 belair
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I have the correct hood on my new project for a BB, but they are way too expensive... I did see some guy talk about using a 454 instead of a more expensive 396 or 427.. Prices on the BBC stuff is crazy..
 
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Right,so sell the heads/cam. I kicked this all around before deciding on doing a 408. Looking back,I never would've done my current 331.
 

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I don't think Blueprint zero balances their rotating assemblies. Or sell short blocks. They also quote a 6500 RPM upper RPM limit on their stuff. I'd like to make peak power above that point.
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Here's a question for ya:

I don't know how many parts you've accumulated for this project so far but...


What is the cost these days, for a Dart Sportsman (or equivalent) and the machine work necessary to drop in your desired rotating assembly...


--vs--


Ford Small Block Compatible 347 c.i. Engine - 415 Horsepower - Long Block

BluePrint Engines 302 c.i. small block Ford style crate engine - longblock. Includes 30 month / 50,000 warranty & BPE Dyno Promise. Part #: BP302CT
blueprintengines.com

...and dropping in your desired rotating assembly?

What would it cost to get the forged crankshaft in this engine, zero balanced?


It's been a while since I've had to build an engine. I can only imagine what it costs now for the [entire] process.
 

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Noobz347 said:
Here's a question for ya:

I don't know how many parts you've accumulated for this project so far but...


What is the cost these days, for a Dart Sportsman (or equivalent) and the machine work necessary to drop in your desired rotating assembly...


--vs--


Ford Small Block Compatible 347 c.i. Engine - 415 Horsepower - Long Block

BluePrint Engines 302 c.i. small block Ford style crate engine - longblock. Includes 30 month / 50,000 warranty & BPE Dyno Promise. Part #: BP302CT
blueprintengines.com

...and dropping in your desired rotating assembly?

What would it cost to get the forged crankshaft in this engine, zero balanced?


It's been a while since I've had to build an engine. I can only imagine what it costs now for the [entire] process.
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Not worth it when you can spend the money once and just buy one from one of the reputable engine builders done already
 
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limp said:
I have the correct hood on my new project for a BB, but they are way too expensive... I did see some guy talk about using a 454 instead of a more expensive 396 or 427.. Prices on the BBC stuff is crazy..
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On accident I ended up with another 396 - that is the right suffix code for a full size 65-66 belair

.030 over / scat rod / steel gm crank
063 heads with bigger valves all fresh
All arp hardware
Edelbrock 2-0 intake
Roller rockers
.581/585 240/246 110lsa comp cam

Should run decent for what it is behind the 3000 stall and 4l80e
 

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Not worth it when you can spend the money once and just buy one from one of the reputable engine builders done already
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I wonder because I have a more than $10k in my engine and that's from [years] ago.

$7K for an engine and swapping out the rotating assy in an already machined 4-bolt, cast block... Hmmm...

What's cost out-the-door from "The reputable engine builders"?
 
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