fuel pump always runs, drag racing input

geo93notch

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just went into my garage and although the car was off and the key not in the ignition, the fuel pump was running and i could hear the fuel going through the rail on the engine. I tried to cycle the key off and on, but the pump still runs. I was thinking the ignition switch is bad. Any thoughts?

On a side note, I went to the track on friday night for the first time with my new eng and new mt et streets. The slicks hooked good but i ran a very dissapointing 14 flat @ 102 mph. The motor was bogging like crazy leaving the line at 2500 rpm. I believe I have a 3:55 rear gear (I jacked up the car and spun the tire, and the previous owner stated that ratio as well), should I go to 4:11 or 4:30's? or maybe just more rpms? I didn't try any more rpms because the brakes were making alot of noise after the traps at speed. Thanks for any input.
 
what was your 60' time?

heat those ET streets up nice, and when you launch drop the clutch from AT LEAST 4000rpm +, i'd go past 5k personally. just give it all the rpm it can take off the line.

i run et streets and i am running the same MPH as you in the 1/4 and i have gotten 13.30s so far.

you have to give it LOTS of rpm off the line to get it moving. 2500 isnt even close to enough, thats why it bogging off the line.

dont be afraid of giving it some rpm. if you heat them up nice they will hook.

i drop my clutch at 5500+ usually and it leaves the line rather hard lol


a gear upgrade to 4.11s would help you get the line quicker and leave the line harder. but i'd try to dial you car in and run the absolute best it will run before changing gears out.
 
Check the terminals at your FP relay. There should only be one wire showing 12 volts (with the key off).

The coil should be dead (no ground on one side and no accessory power on the other), and the wire to the pump should be dead. If the load side (common and N.O. terminals) are showing constant 12 volts (while the coil is not energized), that suggests a latched relay. Replace it with a known good one (the WOT relay should be the same IIRC).

Good luck.
 
Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 91-93 Mustangs

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on.
It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running,
find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to
ground.
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If the fuse links are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure –
remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the
core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be
used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.


No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch
cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the
voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch

B.) Fuel pump Relay: On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.

C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect
for fuel escaping while pump is running.

The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power
path.

The control path consists of the computer, and the fuel pump relay coil. It turns
the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The switched power (red
wire) from the ECC relay goes to the relay coil and then from the relay coil to the
computer (light blue\orange wire). The computer provides the ground path to
complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and close the
contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage to all the
right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no ground, the
relay will not close the power contacts.

The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like
fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness.
The feed wire from the fuse link (pink/black wire) goes to the fuel pump relay
contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power flows
through the pink/black wire to the contacts and through the dark green\yellow
wire to the inertia switch. The other side of the inertia switch with the
brown\pink wire joins the pink/black wire that connects to the fuel pump. The fuel
pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.

Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays
or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That
means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to
ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.


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diagram of the wiring for 91-93 cars.

Power circuits:
Power feed: Look for 12 volts at the pink/black wire (power source for fuel pump relay).
No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, or connections. Remember that on 92
or later models the fuel pump relay is located under the Mass Air meter. Watch out for the
WOT A/C control relay on these cars, as it is located in the same place and can easily be
mistaken for the fuel pump relay.

Relay: Turn on the key and jumper the ECC test connector as previously described. Look
for 12 volts at the dark green\yellow wire (relay controlled power for the fuel pump). No
voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a broken wire in the relay control circuit.

Inertia switch: Check the brown/pink wire, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either
the inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia switch: there
should be power on the dark green\yellow (inertia switch input) and brown/pink wire
(inertia switch output). Power on the dark green\yellow wire and not on the brown/pink wire
means the inertia switch is open. Press on the red plunger to reset it to the closed position.
Sometimes the inertia switch will be intermittent or will not pass full power. Be sure that
there is 12 volts on both sides of the switch with the pump running and that the voltage drop
measured across the switch is less than .75 volts.

Pump wiring: Anytime the ignition switch is in the Run position and the test
point is jumpered to ground, there should be at least 12 volts present on the
black/pink wire. With power off, check the pump ground: you should see less
than 1 ohm between the black wire and chassis ground.

Control circuits:

Relay: The red wire for the fuel pump relay coil gets its power feed from the ECC relay.
No 12 volts here, and the ECC relay has failed or there is bad wiring or bad connections
coming from it. The ECC relay is located on top of the computer, which is under the passenger’s
side kick panel. It is not easy to get to, you must have small hands or pull the passenger side
dash speaker out to access it.

Relay: The light blue/orange wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test
connector jumpered according to the previous instructions, there should be less than .75 volts.
Use a test lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the light blue/orange
wire on the fuel pump relay. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a broken
wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test the wiring from the
computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer connector.
It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector.
With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test lamp should glow.
No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.

Computer: If you got this far and everything else checked out good, the computer is suspect.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.
Probe computer pin 22 with a safety pin and ground it to chassis. Make sure the computer
and everything else is connected. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position and observe
the fuel pressure. The pump should run at full pressure.
If it doesn't, the wiring between pin 22 on the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.
If it does run at full pressure, the computer may have failed.

Keep in mind that the computer only runs the fuel pump for about 2-3 seconds when you turn
the key to the Run position. This can sometimes fool you into thinking the computer has died.
Connect one lead of the test light to power and the other lead to computer pin 22 with a safety pin.
With the ignition switch Off, jumper the computer into self test mode like you are going to dump
the codes. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position. The light will flicker when the computer
does the self test routine. A flickering light is a good computer. No flickering light is a bad computer.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)
for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/

Fuel pump runs continuously: The light blue/orange wire has shorted to ground. Remove the fuel pump relay from its socket.
Then disconnect the computer and use an ohmmeter to check out the resistance between the light blue/orange wire and ground.
You should see more than 10 K Ohms (10,000 ohms) or an infinite open circuit. Be sure that the test connector isn’t jumpered to ground.

If the wiring checks out good, then the computer is the likely culprit.
 
The fuel pump relay as others above indicated is a common problem for the pump t keep running. I had mine go out - didn't realise it at first, until the battery was dead the next morning. Turned out to be the relay - it took me a few days until I could swing by the autoparts store - so to get the stuck relay to work you can sometimes tap it with a wrench or whatever - what worked for me was to slide the seat forward a little, then quickly slide it back as far as it could go - it would stop with enough of a thump to get the relay to unstick and then the pump would stop!!
 
my 60 time was 2.1 best, mostly 2.2. I let the slicks smoke for a couple seconds in the bleach pit then i let go of the line lock, they were plenty slicky. I was increasing the launch rpms every run but then the brakes got noisy, and i thought i saw smoke coming from the back, so i stopped making passes for the night. I still had a hour and half drive home and didn't want to break anything. I was hoping for the low 13, but instead i was the slowest car with a cage and slicks. Next time I will try some more rpms, this was my first time on slicks and only my second time with this car.

For the fuel pump it sounds like maybe my relay went out from what everyone said, I'll check it tommorrow.

I think my e brake drags a little when I disengage it, ever had that problem?
The wheels stick and when they free up it is still hard to push the car.
 
get your brake deal sorted out and go back and GIVE IT HELL
2.1-2.2 60's ARE NOT IDEAL with a slick you should be getting at least 1.8s-1.9s with stock suspension, if some suspensio work you should be able to grab consistant 1.7s at least.