Fuel pump wont shut off??

evan9r · Apr 10, 2008

Seems like most everyone has a problem with the fuel pump going out. Well mine will not shut off when the switch is turned on initially, the pump usually cycles on then off but not now for some reason. I thought the MSD box was bad but I sent it off and they said it was good. Also I dont have a spark except when the ignition is cut off. Is this computer related or what? I have an aftermarket fuel pump if that matters, and I also replaced the fuel pump relay.

bill302 · Apr 11, 2008

check your fuel pump relay...prolly bad. I could help you more if i knew the year model..

velocidad · Apr 11, 2008

Fuel pump

I'm the original owner on a 92 Mustang Gt, I also have a problem with the fuel pump, I turned on the igntion, the pump will not cycle by the time the tow truck was on route I tried it again and pump cycled! Like it was said, could it just be my fuel pump relay??? Also Its the original fuel pump!

Thanks!

1992 Mustang Gt 219,xxx miles no engine mods

bill302 · Apr 11, 2008

velocidad said:
I'm the original owner on a 92 Mustang Gt, I also have a problem with the fuel pump, I turned on the igntion, the pump will not cycle by the time the tow truck was on route I tried it again and pump cycled! Like it was said, could it just be my fuel pump relay??? Also Its the original fuel pump!

Thanks!

1992 Mustang Gt 219,xxx miles no engine mods

more likely its a bed fuel pump relay...

enyawix · Apr 11, 2008

I will make a howto on how to test a 4 and 5 pin relay when I get home about 11:30 CST

evan9r · Apr 11, 2008

Its a 90 model. I have replaced the relay but no go.

velocidad · Apr 11, 2008

Fuel pump

BILL302, thanks for the response and I will do that first. If its the fuel pump what do you all think I should install as for as brand, type, etc......

Thanks!

1992 Mustang Gt 219,xxx miles no engine mods

HISSIN50 · Apr 11, 2008

When the pump is running-on, check the relay coil's ground wire (lt green IIRC on older aero foxes; not sure on yours). If it's shows continuity to ground, there's an EEC (ground strap) issue or a shorted wire (or jumped FP terminal at the STC).

If the relay coil is not excited but the common and N.O. terminals are both hot, the relay is having issues. Replace it.

evan9r · Apr 11, 2008

HISSIN50 said:
When the pump is running-on, check the relay coil's ground wire (lt green IIRC on older aero foxes; not sure on yours). If it's shows continuity to ground, there's an EEC (ground strap) issue or a shorted wire (or jumped FP terminal at the STC).

If the relay coil is not excited but the common and N.O. terminals are both hot, the relay is having issues. Replace it.

Can you please elaborate on the first part? I think this might be my problem. Ive checked the wire and the relay and the relay seems to be good-its brand new. The wire is grounded which means maybe my computer is out? or distributor?

Also my spark issue may be unrelated I dont know. But is the orange wire coming out of the 6AL supposed to be hot all the time? The one that goes to the positive side of the coil. Or only when turned on?

HISSIN50 · Apr 11, 2008

evan9r said:
Can you please elaborate on the first part? I think this might be my problem. Ive checked the wire and the relay and the relay seems to be good-its brand new. The wire is grounded which means maybe my computer is out? or distributor?

Also my spark issue may be unrelated I dont know. But is the orange wire coming out of the 6AL supposed to be hot all the time? The one that goes to the positive side of the coil. Or only when turned on?

With the key on and during the prime-out (or while the engine idles), you should have 3 hot wires and one ground. With the key on but after a prime out, you should have two hot wires.

If your relay's negative coil wire shows constant continuity to ground, chances are the wire has a short (though I suppose the EEC could be the issue. Normally the ground strap in the EEC takes a dump though and the pump won't prime at all). To remove the EEC aspect, you'd have to disconnect the EEC electrical connector and ohm out the circuit. Do go over the self test connector because if that FP input was grounded (for some reason), that will permanently ground this wire.

The wire to the coil should only be hot when the key is on (or while cranking). Confirm what yours is doing. How do you know you only had spark as you shut the key off?

I will also note one commonality between spark and the fuel pump. The PIP. It tells the EEC to send spark (and injector pulsing), and when the PIP is active, the EEC keeps the fuel pump running.

enyawix · Apr 11, 2008

evan9r said:
Its a 90 model. I have replaced the relay but no go.

No point in testing. I would put the pump on a 60amp switch until I can fix it correctly.

OonDeanisS · Apr 12, 2008

i have an 86 with a 351w in it, and my fuel pump wont turn on. it has a MSD box and coil, but im not sure where the power should come from. THe coil?

enyawix · Apr 12, 2008

OonDeanisS said:
i have an 86 with a 351w in it, and my fuel pump wont turn on. it has a MSD box and coil, but im not sure where the power should come from. THe coil?

my fuel pump is on a relay and the relay is on the ign switch

evan9r · Apr 13, 2008

Well I found part of the problem...my computer is fried..so Im looking for a A9L

HISSIN50 · Apr 13, 2008

evan9r said:
Well I found part of the problem...my computer is fried..so Im looking for a A9L

What part of the EEC fried? How was this found out?
It's relatively tough to screw up an EEC.

evan9r · Apr 14, 2008

When the car quit running there was a strong stench like burnt electronics. I figured i t was the MSD box since the smell came from below my seat where my MSD box is. I started wondering about the ECM and just pulled it out and opened it up and the circuit board has several things fried on it. Not sure what happened but its burnt.

HISSIN50 · Apr 15, 2008

Check over your wiring so you dont burn up another EEC. They don't generally spontaneously combust.

evan9r · Apr 15, 2008

I will do that. Ive only had the car a year so everything that is done to it was done by someone else. The MSD wiring was pretty bad, smaller wires to bigger wires, etc. I completely re did it so maybe that will help. The only thing that was different at the time of meltdown compared to all the other times was I had hooked up the MSD retard ignition box so it would retard ignition on startup. After this happened I took the box out completely.

evan9r · Apr 16, 2008

Well I got a A9S computer and plugged it in and the fuel pump still stayed on with just the key on. I do have spark and the car will run; very poorly, will not idle. I have check or replaced about every relay there is.

The wire that got fried on the computer is pin # 57 which is a red wire called the power relay wire and it goes everywhere..to alot of different sensors and relays.

I dont seem to have fuel pressure either...at least no fuel comes out when I press the check valve. Its a paxton regulator, could this be bad?

evan9r · Apr 18, 2008

Does the fuel pump build up pressure and then shut off? Or does it just cycle on then off no matter the pressure?

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