Gears and top speeds...

My speedo doesn't work and I have a 2.73 gear and it's a 5-speed. Was just curious what the maximum speeds were in each gear (1-5) with a 6k redline. And I realize that it would be impossible to get to the max speed in 5th without a ton of horsepower, but just curious to know. :lol: And please don't point me to one of those calculators cus they give me a headache. :nice:
 
Search for a recent thread about what gears to install. There was a post with the chart that calls out maximum speeds / RPM's for most of the common gears.

The title of the thread was "3.55's" or something close to that
 
when I had the 2.79's in my old 8 inch rear I could only get about 4500rpm and it would not go further, this was in 5th gear 68 mustang 289. that equates to around 145mph, plenty fast especially with drum brakes.

It will depend alot on the car and aerodynamics/ topend power etc...

One thing I don't recommend doing is topping it out on any public roads, not only is it against the law, but all it takes is someone changing lanes in front of you and bad things can happen.
 
mikemustang289 said:
when I had the 2.79's in my old 8 inch rear I could only get about 4500rpm and it would not go further, this was in 5th gear 68 mustang 289. that equates to around 145mph, plenty fast especially with drum brakes.

It will depend alot on the car and aerodynamics/ topend power etc...

One thing I don't recommend doing is topping it out on any public roads, not only is it against the law, but all it takes is someone changing lanes in front of you and bad things can happen.
145 w/ drum brakes is just plain stupid!!!!


U can search for thr thread that srothfuss talked about. it had a chart with but only had 3:08, 3:55, 3:73, and 4:10 gears listed but will give u a guess
 
I got to thinking that if I did get my speedo fixed, since it's a 170 mph Saleen speedo, would the needle only go up to 85? My car was originally an lx and had an 85 mph cluster I'm assuming. Btw, how hard would it be to get the speedo working?
 
I think i remember messing around with a calculator and seeing that with 2.73's, 225/60r/15 tires, 5th gear, and 6k rpm it was well over 200 mph, 240 comes to mind but Im not really sure.
 
Michael Yount said:
Go here -- all kinds of calculations available including theoretical top speed if you know rpm, gearing and rear tire size. http://www.smokemup.com/auto_math/index.php

With a stock motor and 2.73's, the car's top speed occurs in 4th gear, not 5th. Just like the Viper and Vette -- 5th is used for highest top speed; 6th is too long.

Ugh, thanks, but it requires a paid sub to do anything there.... I mean, there are tons of you guys that have or have had a 5-speed fox with 2.73's. Could ya just tell me what the speedo says when you red-line each gear? I know a lot of you guys have done it! :lol:
 
You'll never reach redline in 5th gear. You could contact Road & Track and see if they have a back issue from the late 80's where they tested a LX 5.0, Formula 5.0, Boss 302, and 69 T/A. They have the speed in gears and RPM for the 2.73 fox.
 
88clone - how do you know the people giving you the info have accurate speedos and tachs? Garbage in = garbage out.

You can calculate the speeds pretty easily. But remember, you don't know if your tach is accurate -- and all of this is gonna be based on the rev count that's showing up on you un-calibrated tach AND on your rear tire size. So take it with a grain of salt.

Speed is in units of miles per hour. If you know how fast the engine is revving (revolutions per minute) - you can convert that to revolutons per hour. If you know the gear ratios in the car, you can figure out how many revolutions per hour the rear tires are turning. Lastly, if you know the diameter of the rear tire, you can calcultate the circumference -- and you'll know how much distance (in inches which can be converted to miles) you've covered in, voila, miles per hour.

Let's start with rear tire size. Let's assume you have one of the stock tire sizes on the car. 225/55/16. To calculate the height you convert the section width to inches -- 225 mm / 25.4 inches/mm = 8.86". Multiply that by the aspect ratio to get the sidewall height - 8.86" X 55% = 4.87". Now add the wheel diameter plus 2X sidewall height (top/bottom) to get tire diameter/height - (2 X 4.87") + 16 = 25.74". To calculate the circumference of the tire you simply multiply the diameter times the constant pi - 25.74" X 3.14159 = 80.88". So each time the rear tire turns 1 revolution, it covers 80.88 inches. To convert that to miles - 80.88" X (1 foot/12 inches) X (1 mile/5280 feet) = .001276 miles. So each time the rear tire rolls 1 revolution it covers .001276 miles.

Now, let's move to the engine/driveline to see how many revolutions that tire is making at a certain rpm in a certain gear in one hour - that'll give us mph.

We'll do our calculations at 5000 rpm - your engine is mostly stock; it's power peak is gonna occur around 4600 rpm. To get quickest acceleration times, there's no reason at all to even rev it above 5000 (especially with 2.73's) even though it will rev to the ecu cut off at 6250. You're just wasting fuel, making noise, putting wear/tear on the engine and accelerating more slowly.

So, at 5000 rpm in 1st gear, how many revoltions will the rear tire make in an hour? The first gear ratio in a stock T5 is 3.35:1. That means that for every 3.35 revolutions the engine makes, the driveshaft turns once. Similarly, with 2.73 gears in the back, for every 2.73 revolutions the driveshaft makes, the tire makes one revolution. So, in low gear, you multiply those ratios to get the overall effect -- 3.35X2.73=9.1455 --- for every 9.1455 revs the engine makes in low gear, the tire makes 1 revolution. At 5000 revs/minute -- the engine covers 5000 X 60 revolutions per hour = 300,000 revs/hour.

So, let's put it all together. At 5 grand in low gear ---

(300,000 revs/hour)/(9.1455 revs/tire rotation) X (.001276 miles/tire rotation) = 42mph.

Second gear ratio is 1.94 -- so 9.1455 in the previous equation becomes 5.296 -- 2nd gear @ 5000= 72 mph

Third gear ratio is 1.29 --- @ 5000 = 109 mph
4th gear ratio is 1.00 --- @5000 = 140 mph
5th gear ratio is .675 --- @ 5000 = 208 mph

At 6000 rpm those numbers become - 50, 86, 131, 168, 250 -- but your mostly stock car won't pull to 6000 in 4th; and don't forget -- the factory tachs are COMMONLY known to read as much as 1000 rpm high on the high end of the scale. A clue is the number of people who claim to rev to 7000 rpm without hitting the ecu's rev limiter which comes in at 6250 rpm.

Most magazine tests of the day reached top speeds of 137-142 for the 5.0 foxes -- and they did that in 4th gear, not 5th. Play with the math above and you'll see that 140 mph in 5th gear works out to about 3400 rpm -- at that rpm the engine isn't making enough HP to push the car through the air at 140. Conclusion? Shift to 5th at 140 mph (5000 rpm in 4th) and a stock (or mostly stock) 5.0 Stang will slow down, not speed up.

Put 3.73 gears in the car -- and here's what you have, all speeds at 5000 rpm:

1st - 31 mph
2nd - 53 mph
3rd - 80 mph
4th - 103 mph
5th - 152 mph

4.10's -- give you

1st - 28 mph
2nd - 48 mph
3rd - 72 mph
4th - 94 mph
5th - 138 mph

You can start to see that with mild HP numbers, and steep gears (4.10's), you might want to hold the car in 4th at the end of the 1/4 and let the revs climb, instead of shifting to 5th -- probably give you a quicker ET.

With the info above - you can play with different tire sizes, different revs, and different gear ratios. My T5Z has different ratios - instead of 3.35, 1.94, 1.29, 1, .675 -- it's 2.95, 1.94, 1.34, 1, .625. My car also has a shorter tire -- 245/45/16 is 24.7" tall - so the numbers work out slightly differently for mine w/3.73 gears

1st - 33 mph
2nd - 51 mph
3rd - 74 mph
4th - 98 mph
5th - 149 mph

My speedo and tach are fairly accurate -- those calculated numbers match up pretty closely to what my instruments are telling me.

Too much time on my hands this morning...
 
Michael's post brings up another interesting fact. With 3.73 or higher gears, you need a H/C/I combo to keep from running out RPM's in 4th gear in the 1/4 mile and having to shift to 5th. The 5th gear shift is a real bog since the RPM's drop way out of the power band.

One way to get around it is to use a taller tire (28"), but that takes away from the effect of having the gears.
 
...or as I mentioned richker, just hold 4th a bit higher into the revs. A taller tire hurts the torque mulitplication (effective gearing) in every gear from the start of the run. Holding 4th past the power peak only hurts a bit at the very end of the run at the top of 4th gear.
 
mikemustang289 said:
1rst gear at 6024rpm = 51mph
2nd gear at 6035rpm = 86mph
3rd gear at 6005rpm = 128 mph
4th gear at 6033rpm = 171mph

these are with a 26inch tall tire

This is the type of thing I was looking for. Just a general idea. Thanks...But wow, this is what it's actually showing on your speedo? They seem a bit high.
 
Michael Yount said:
88clone - how do you know the people giving you the info have accurate speedos and tachs? Garbage in = garbage out.

You can calculate the speeds pretty easily. But remember, you don't know if your tach is accurate -- and all of this is gonna be based on the rev count that's showing up on you un-calibrated tach AND on your rear tire size. So take it with a grain of salt.

Speed is in units of miles per hour. If you know how fast the engine is revving (revolutions per minute) - you can convert that to revolutons per hour. If you know the gear ratios in the car, you can figure out how many revolutions per hour the rear tires are turning. Lastly, if you know the diameter of the rear tire, you can calcultate the circumference -- and you'll know how much distance (in inches which can be converted to miles) you've covered in, voila, miles per hour.

Let's start with rear tire size. Let's assume you have one of the stock tire sizes on the car. 225/55/16. To calculate the height you convert the section width to inches -- 225 mm / 25.4 inches/mm = 8.86". Multiply that by the aspect ratio to get the sidewall height - 8.86" X 55% = 4.87". Now add the wheel diameter plus 2X sidewall height (top/bottom) to get tire diameter/height - (2 X 4.87") + 16 = 25.74". To calculate the circumference of the tire you simply multiply the diameter times the constant pi - 25.74" X 3.14159 = 80.88". So each time the rear tire turns 1 revolution, it covers 80.88 inches. To convert that to miles - 80.88" X (1 foot/12 inches) X (1 mile/5280 feet) = .001276 miles. So each time the rear tire rolls 1 revolution it covers .001276 miles.

Now, let's move to the engine/driveline to see how many revolutions that tire is making at a certain rpm in a certain gear in one hour - that'll give us mph.

We'll do our calculations at 5000 rpm - your engine is mostly stock; it's power peak is gonna occur around 4600 rpm. To get quickest acceleration times, there's no reason at all to even rev it above 5000 (especially with 2.73's) even though it will rev to the ecu cut off at 6250. You're just wasting fuel, making noise, putting wear/tear on the engine and accelerating more slowly.

So, at 5000 rpm in 1st gear, how many revoltions will the rear tire make in an hour? The first gear ratio in a stock T5 is 3.35:1. That means that for every 3.35 revolutions the engine makes, the driveshaft turns once. Similarly, with 2.73 gears in the back, for every 2.73 revolutions the driveshaft makes, the tire makes one revolution. So, in low gear, you multiply those ratios to get the overall effect -- 3.35X2.73=9.1455 --- for every 9.1455 revs the engine makes in low gear, the tire makes 1 revolution. At 5000 revs/minute -- the engine covers 5000 X 60 revolutions per hour = 300,000 revs/hour.

So, let's put it all together. At 5 grand in low gear ---

(300,000 revs/hour)/(9.1455 revs/tire rotation) X (.001276 miles/tire rotation) = 42mph.

Second gear ratio is 1.94 -- so 9.1455 in the previous equation becomes 5.296 -- 2nd gear @ 5000= 72 mph

Third gear ratio is 1.29 --- @ 5000 = 109 mph
4th gear ratio is 1.00 --- @5000 = 140 mph
5th gear ratio is .675 --- @ 5000 = 208 mph

At 6000 rpm those numbers become - 50, 86, 131, 168, 250 -- but your mostly stock car won't pull to 6000 in 4th; and don't forget -- the factory tachs are COMMONLY known to read as much as 1000 rpm high on the high end of the scale. A clue is the number of people who claim to rev to 7000 rpm without hitting the ecu's rev limiter which comes in at 6250 rpm.

Most magazine tests of the day reached top speeds of 137-142 for the 5.0 foxes -- and they did that in 4th gear, not 5th. Play with the math above and you'll see that 140 mph in 5th gear works out to about 3400 rpm -- at that rpm the engine isn't making enough HP to push the car through the air at 140. Conclusion? Shift to 5th at 140 mph (5000 rpm in 4th) and a stock (or mostly stock) 5.0 Stang will slow down, not speed up.

Put 3.73 gears in the car -- and here's what you have, all speeds at 5000 rpm:

1st - 31 mph
2nd - 53 mph
3rd - 80 mph
4th - 103 mph
5th - 152 mph

4.10's -- give you

1st - 28 mph
2nd - 48 mph
3rd - 72 mph
4th - 94 mph
5th - 138 mph

You can start to see that with mild HP numbers, and steep gears (4.10's), you might want to hold the car in 4th at the end of the 1/4 and let the revs climb, instead of shifting to 5th -- probably give you a quicker ET.

With the info above - you can play with different tire sizes, different revs, and different gear ratios. My T5Z has different ratios - instead of 3.35, 1.94, 1.29, 1, .675 -- it's 2.95, 1.94, 1.34, 1, .625. My car also has a shorter tire -- 245/45/16 is 24.7" tall - so the numbers work out slightly differently for mine w/3.73 gears

1st - 33 mph
2nd - 51 mph
3rd - 74 mph
4th - 98 mph
5th - 149 mph

My speedo and tach are fairly accurate -- those calculated numbers match up pretty closely to what my instruments are telling me.

Too much time on my hands this morning...

Hi, firstly, thanks for taking the time to lay all of this out. I do realise that a lot of people's speedo's are off a little...maybe even a lot. I just wanted a general idea of the speeds I'm reaching at the end of the gears just for kicks really. I like information like that, and especially in my case since I have no speedo. :lol: I do believe my tach is pretty accurate, as it has the stock gearing, but slightly different tire on the rear from stock. Now, my rear tire size is P245 50ZR 16. I gotta go to work but I'll do those calc's when I get back.

But, my engine really isn't that close to stock. My mods are in my sig. I'm prolly making atleast 50 rwhp more than a stock 5.0....It pulls the hardest between 4,000-6,000 rpms. Shifting at 6,000 with my setup seems to work without feeling like it's being strained. It actually feels like it'll pull well past 6,000, but I'm not gonna try. To be honest, I'm not even sure of all of the mods this car has, as I just bought it a few months ago and the guy I bought it from had bought the car with all of the modifications done already about 10 years ago.