Got caugh for my exhaust, 160$ ticket, need help guys!

Mavrick · Apr 21, 2004

85_SS_302_Coupe said:
Anyone know what the age of a car is that you dont have to pass emissions anymore?

It's 20 years, atleast in Ontario it is. So this year if your car was an 84, you wouldnt have to e-test your car ever again, but if your bringing a car on the road thats 84 or older, it has to pass once, then never again (i think).

nomuffler · Apr 21, 2004

TattooMatt said:
inforced

85_SS_302_Coupe · Apr 21, 2004

Mavrick said:
It's 20 years, atleast in Ontario it is. So this year if your car was an 84, you wouldnt have to e-test your car ever again, but if your bringing a car on the road thats 84 or older, it has to pass once, then never again (i think).

Thanks. I've heard it's 25 years here in Ohio, just wondering if anyone from my state knows for sure?

drizztkun · Apr 21, 2004

blkstangman88 and mavrick: For your information in quebec it is allowed to turn right on red since last year only on the in montreal you arent allowed

cevtv · Apr 21, 2004

91StangLX said:
I believe the EPA law states that you can replace the factory cats after 50,000 miles...

Only on a car made before 1995. After 1995, it's 80,000 miles. AND only if "a legitimate need for replacement has been established and appropriately documented."

TheDamned · Apr 21, 2004

what_stanger? said:
the "i dunno, i bought the car like this" was my idea!!!

and it failed!

crap!

I tough it could've at least save me for a ticket

cevtv · Apr 21, 2004

TattooMatt said:
You are right.

If a car came from the factory with cats it has to have cats to drive legally on a PUBLIC road.

That's what I thought, too - until I did some digging.......I'm trying to find the link........

The EPA isn't as concerned with recreational OFFROAD vehicles because they are an enormous source of revenue.

That is changing right now, too. They are trying to get cats on offroad vehicles, snow mobiles, jet skis, motorcycles (on and off road), farm equipment, trains (!), buses, and even lawn mowers.

cevtv · Apr 21, 2004

HyPer-50 said:
I think you should change your title to EPA Spokesman Cev... Jesus, never met someone so up to date on all the EPA laws lol.

Nope, not spokesman......... I just did a ton of research before I did anything to my car.

cevtv · Apr 21, 2004

TattooMatt said:
If a car came from the factory with cats it has to have cats to drive legally on a PUBLIC road.
NASCAR vehicles aren't driven on PUBLIC roads.

Still looking for the actual link, but this is what it says......

Question 2.

Can I remove a converter from a vehicle that is used only for "off-road" driving?

Answer 2. No. The tampering prohibition discussed in Answer #1 applies to this situation as well. The federal tampering prohibition pertains to "motor vehicles," which are defined by section 216(2) of the Act as "any self-propelled vehicle designed for transporting persons or property on a street or highway." A light-duty vehicle manufacturer certifies an engine-chassis configuration as meeting the applicable emissions standards for motor vehicles manufactured in a given model year, and it is not legal for anyone to "de-certify" a motor vehicle for "off-road" use.

Regardless if it is used on or off road, YOU can't de-certify a car to "off road only" status.

End of story.

.

TattooMatt · Apr 21, 2004

cevtv said:
Regardless if it is used on or off road, YOU can't de-certify a car to "off road only" status.

End of story.

.

I didn't even know that you can't legally de-cat a car even if it will only be used off-road. Part of that has to do with the fact that I don't have a race-only car. Anyhoo, I did a ton of research before I bought my exhaust system too.

nomuffler said:
Quote: Originally Posted by TattooMatt
inforced

oops. I made a typo.

jaketuff · Apr 21, 2004

willys1 said:
Dude check out the new issue of 5.0 mustang & super fords.Bassani makes a new kind of cat super UNrestrictive There called metal substrate cats,,no more ceramic

What's pricing on those s? They are not on the Bassani site yet...

Thx
OUT

F8Lstang · Apr 21, 2004

here is the solution to your problem:
put on your stock pipes. go pass emissions. take the certificate to court with you, say the cop must have missed the cats

rio95 · Apr 22, 2004

In my case, my stock cats had holes rusted through them and i doubt they were working at all, therefore it should be alright that i put on an o/r h pipe. Don't ya think????

i like the heat shield idea. How would you get caught if you had those welded to your o/r pipe??? if somehow the cops found out they were fake, you could say that you bought the midpipe from someone and thought that the cats were real. how would that be your fault???

rio95 · Apr 22, 2004

also,

i have never met anyone or even heard of anyone ever getting fined $10,000+ for this crap. Don't you think that if no one on this whole website has ever heard of this happening, then we all probably have nothing to worry about.

cevtv · Apr 22, 2004

rio95 said:
In my case, my stock cats had holes rusted through them and i doubt they were working at all, therefore it should be alright that i put on an o/r h pipe. Don't ya think????

NO. You CAN NOT LEGALLY put an o/r pipe on. You are supposed to replace the cats. Period.

i like the heat shield idea. How would you get caught if you had those welded to your o/r pipe???

OK, say you welded the heat shields on, and got pulled over into a road-side sniffer test (Yes, they DO have it), and they found that you welded the heat shields on..............that would be a hefty fine, too.

if somehow the cops found out they were fake, you could say that you bought the midpipe from someone and thought that the cats were real. how would that be your fault???

Easily your fault. Damn, read the info at the links I posted..........it is ILLEGAL to install USED cats, too - unless they have been "properly tested and labeled".

cevtv · Apr 22, 2004

rio95 said:
also,

i have never met anyone or even heard of anyone ever getting fined $10,000+ for this crap. Don't you think that if no one on this whole website has ever heard of this happening, then we all probably have nothing to worry about.

Read what I said. It is a POSSIBLE fine of up to $10,000. Just because you never heard of it means it's not real????

TattooMatt · Apr 22, 2004

rio95 said:
also,

i have never met anyone or even heard of anyone ever getting fined $10,000+ for this crap. Don't you think that if no one on this whole website has ever heard of this happening, then we all probably have nothing to worry about.

I also said that just because they may not necessarily be reinforcing the law doesn't mean that they can. You said it yourself...then we all probably have nothing to worry about.

88STANGCONVERT · Apr 22, 2004

I am not sure if anyone has suggested this but I will throw it out to you. I took my cat off of my truck, cut it open and gutted it. Then I ran a piece of straight pipe inside the cat from one opening to the other and then welded the casing up and put the heat shield back on. You can not tell. It is amazing, I fooled the Exhaust intstallers and one officer asked if I had cats on and I said check if you like, he did and said ok looks good. Just an idea.

roush 97 · Apr 22, 2004

So that's why people lower their cars. Hmmmm

TheDamned · Apr 22, 2004

F8Lstang said:
here is the solution to your problem:
put on your stock pipes. go pass emissions. take the certificate to court with you, say the cop must have missed the cats

we don't have emission test !!!!!!!
i'm in Québec

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