You must have decent dealerships where you are. Around here, when the 03 cobra came out, IF you could even find one around here, it was at least $3000 over the sticker.Uncle Meat said:I purchased my '03 Cobra in July of 2002 for sticker (MSRP).
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how many german cars, honestly, can you think of that will outperform the C6 for around the same price? the S4 will outhandle it, but not in the straights. quite possibly the M3, but again, not in the straights. what am i missing?QuickCapri83 said:I can sit here all day naming german cars that will **** on the C6 easily, on any track, and for the price.
dud, did you just compare Ford's mentality to that of a ricers? not coolQuickCapri83 said:And it's not like there wont be people buying the C6 and bolting addy's and doing all the stuff we like, so there's gonna be good competition, it's just that, i'd rather start at the back, and work my way forward....Hence the era of the import???? Anyone?? Hello?
DerekStangGT said:dont get me wrong, there are many who still favor a solid rearend, like myself at times, but i think the technological advances in independant suspensions have corrected many inherent flaws in early indie rears. wheel hop is/will always be an issue, but not even to the extremity it used to be. for example, the C6's lateral leif spring design, or whatever they call it, on the Z51 package. i almost wet myself the first time i crawled under that car and looked. my buddy has launched the balls outta that car ('05 C6 Z51) and gotten very very little, if any, wheel hop.
Stang|ess said:03-04 Cobras used an iron block as well. Cheaper to use, and John Coletti said the previous blocks they were using met "catastrophic failure".
DerekStangGT said:how many german cars, honestly, can you think of that will outperform the C6 for around the same price? the S4 will outhandle it, but not in the straights. quite possibly the M3, but again, not in the straights. what am i missing?
dud, did you just compare Ford's mentality to that of a ricers? not cool
QuickCapri83 said:You dont get my point it does'nt matter. Nobody seems to think of the $$ of a car when comparing it. For the cost, the vette is NO bargain, period.
ok, you just contradicted yourself buddy. nobody takes into consideration the $ of a car when comparing it? are you serious? why is it that EVERY magazine that tests a car will include the price? all anyone ever talks about is bang for the buck, unless youre dealing with a $200k+ Lambo or Ferrari. in that case, the people who buy those cars honestly dont consider price. the price on a C6 is pretty reasonable for what you get, as opposed to many overpriced german cars. a new E46 M3 and C6 are about the same price, right around 50k, and look what you get for each.QuickCapri83 said:I can sit here all day naming german cars that will **** on the C6 easily, on any track, and for the price.
first of all, you do sound rude. second, when did i ever say a vette was better than an M3. "better" is such a relative word, and i hate using it. and why is it such a sin to compare a vette and an M3? both are sports cars. one is "americas sports car" and the other is germany's sports car". both are about the same price. both are trying to include as many luxeries in car as possible, while still trying to retain a sports car feel.QuickCapri83 said:Not trying to sound rude or anything, but you've lost your mind if you think "ANY" vette is better than any M3.....sometimes a car isnt perfect in every way, but to compare a vette to an M3, that's a big no no, and god, so many people would agree with me on that.
well, when you make a blanket statement likeQuickCapri83 said:As for naming all the german cars....I'm not gonna start researching and looking into all the stats, but audi and BMW are a better car period, german is german, american is american, and I except this with no problem, owning a mustang, and a very nice VR6.
i would expect you to back it up. all ive ever said was the C6 is a very nice car from chevy. i also said that it would outrun an M3 straightline.QuickCapri83 said:I can sit here all day naming german cars that will **** on the C6 easily, on any track, and for the price.
hm, ive never heard that the solid rear only saves money. there are of course advantages to a solid rear over an indie too though, just not in handling. and you make it seem like the only reason Ferrari and Posche have indie rears is b/c they dont care about the extra expense. that subject didnt even come up at the board meeting. IMHO, the reason for the indie rear on higher end cars is strictly for the handling characteristics. i dont think the developers of german and italian sports cars gave a rat's @$$ if it cost more.Dorsai said:Solid rear axles are about saving money, that's it. Any IRS that's made properly will control wheel hop and be just as durable as a solid axle while providing much better handling as you sorta said. The GT500 having a solid axle is about nothing but cost control by Ford bean counters. When cost is not a limiting factor IRS will always be used...hence no solid axle Ferrari or Porsche sports cars even though they typicaly far exceed Mustangs in hp. I'm not shy about saying it, the worse part of a Mustang is the ride and handling genraly due to the solid axle design faults. But then again if I could afford an F430 I would'nt be posting in these forums
neverDerekStangGT said:how many german cars, honestly, can you think of that will outperform the C6 for around the same price? the S4 will outhandle it, but not in the straights.
nopeDerekStangGT said:quite possibly the M3, but again, not in the straights. what am i missing?
It ultimately depends on how the car was built, a mustang built soild axle car can outperform GTO's with a built IRS because someone didn't design the overall car right..Dorsai said:Solid rear axles are about saving money, that's it. Any IRS that's made properly will control wheel hop and be just as durable as a solid axle while providing much better handling as you sorta said.
It was an excuse because the Blocks cost too much to put into production_jb_ said:I didn't know that. What was wrong with those blocks? I don't remember reading any topics that said the block broke.
actually there are two reasons ford chose a solid axle even for its top dog mustang.DerekStangGT said:hm, ive never heard that the solid rear only saves money. there are of course advantages to a solid rear over an indie too though, just not in handling. and you make it seem like the only reason Ferrari and Posche have indie rears is b/c they dont care about the extra expense. that subject didnt even come up at the board meeting. IMHO, the reason for the indie rear on higher end cars is strictly for the handling characteristics. i dont think the developers of german and italian sports cars gave a rat's @$$ if it cost more.
and i think the reason our GTs have a solid rear is b/c ford had to have a few things to offer the cobra buyers. not just a better engine, but a better handling car as well.
FR500's have the use of handicaps in Grand Am, so it isnt fairPonyboyIsaac said:it works in their Grand am championship winning mustang.
Yes it would've, Safty is the key with IRS and gobs of power on the street, forget adding 75lbs over a solid axle, 70~ lbs is easily removed out of any mustangPonyboyIsaac said:An irs would have made it a little heavier and the handling difference would not have justified the added weight.
svttech76 said:german quality??? have you ever worked on cars?? german cars are not very reliable at all, if anything they are worse than domestics.. japenese cars you can make the argument and win it that the quality is better.
GT JAY said:Blah,Blah,Blah!
Souns like a bunch of Jealousy to me
A few mods and the new GT500 will WALK ALL OVER a Z06 and a Viper. For A LOT LESS money to boot!
youre saying an S4 and M3 cant outhandle a C6? i dont have any hard evidence, but, the S4 is AWD, which makes any rookie driver look like a pro. good weight distribution.tomustang said:never
nope
TweekedGT said:I don't put a lot of stock in numbers, they mean nothing. You can put some hump that's never been to a track and run a 15 in a Maclaren F1 for #%@$ sakes. Mu buddy ran a best of 14.3 in his 03 Vette. I'll take better driver over supposedly faster car anyday. I can't wait to smoke C6 and viper ass when I get my blower on. There will be no mercy around here. Screw Corvette, long live the pony!
DerekStangGT said:youre saying an S4 and M3 cant outhandle a C6? i dont have any hard evidence, but, the S4 is AWD, which makes any rookie driver look like a pro. good weight distribution.
and i have firsthand experience with an M3 vs a C6. my dad has an E46 and my buddy drives a C6 Z51. ive driven both, and taken them hard through the turns. the M3 was way more stable up to higher speeds, and felt more controlled upon the exit. granted it didnt have the TQ the C6 has to make the rear more prone to sliding, but the M3 was just a better handling car overall. it is the most nuetral handling car ive ever felt. you can really feel that the car is balanced, and near perfect weight distribution. the C6 felt like your average american RWD. it was heavily oversteer biased and just felt squirly. almost like i didnt know what to expect. the M3 is very predictable. i would take the M3 over the C6 on a track any day of the week.
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