HEIDT's Rear 4-Link& sub-frame connectors

mikethebike said:

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Please, allow me.....a list of my BS:

1. BB Chevys had weak rockers and 3/8" rod bolts
2. Ford didn't support the little guy
3. Chevy did.
4. The SBC was a better go-fast engine than the SBF
5. The t/c toploader was the best 4-speed
6. The Ford 9" was the best differential
7. The BOSS 302 rod was too short to safely rev 8000 rpm
8. The BOSS 429 had a 735 crm carb that was far too small for THAT engine.
9. The 426 HEMI was a great RACE engine but was not that good on the street.
10. No matter HOW good your product is, without proper support it sucks.

Yep, sounds like BULL-**** to me.

Maybe YOU don't want to hear it, but the truth hurts narrow minded people like you.

I see by your profile that you were born 1 JULY 69.......I was 20 that year and stationed at Great Lakes, Ill. in IC-A and C schools. You need to show some respect to your elders...especially those who bought these cars new and actually lived as a young adult when they were new and KNOWS who ruled the streets and who tells the truth about them no matter WHO made them.

GROW-UP. And don't take it personally.

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i am far from narrow minded. i like ALL muscle cars but this is a MUSTANG forum not an LS6 forum, not a Zl1, or L88 forum, it's not a copo forum, it's not a Group 19 forum an AMX forum or barracuda S forum, a hemi forum (331, 392 or 426), it's not a poly 318, B, RB or LA motor forum, it's not a Buick GNX forum, hell it's not even a Galaxie 500, Fairlane, Torino, Ranchero or Pinto forum it's a Mustang forum and only a MUSTANG forum. I'm sure you were as big a loser 20 years before I was born as you are now, I'm also sure you probably don't have any friends because they probably all got sick of you know it all POS self about the time you learned how to talk. so piss off.

mikethebike said:

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1. BB Chevys had weak rockersWeak for what application?
2. Ford didn't support the little guy Who cares?
3. Chevy did. Again, who cares?
4. The SBC was a better go-fast engine than the SBF More prolific, but better? Arguable.
5. The t/c toploader was the best 4-speed I'd match a mopar A833 up against a Toploader any day.
6. The Ford 9" was the best differential 9-inch will break long before a Dana 60 will
7. The BOSS 302 rod was too short to safely rev 8000 rpm Apparently the guys in Formula 1 haven't heard your long rod theory
8. The BOSS 429 had a 735 crm carb that was far too small for THAT engine.So did the 440 Magnum, LS6 454, Buick GS and just about every other big cube engine released in a production car
9. The 426 HEMI was a great RACE engine but was not that good on the street.Hemi myth No. 3,529
10. No matter HOW good your product is, without proper support it sucks. See No. 2

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lauras70mach1 said:

I inserted my comments in red.

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1. 427/425-435hp and 396/425-375(same engine..rated 600 rpm lower) broke rockers at 1500 rpm in traffic. Ask me how I and loads of others know this.
2.Who cares if Ford supported the little guy? ALL those Ford guys who got dusted by the Chevy guys.
3. Again...all those Ford guys who got dusted by the Chevy guys.
4. Well, go look at the Modified Eliminator ranks wher you ran strictly lbs-per-cid. Mostly Chevy, about 90% Chevy back then.
5. You can match anything you want aganist the top-loader, but when damn near all the Chevy's that made real power and near every NASCAR ride that was not a Chrysler ran them I'd say there is a reason for that. Racers tend to run what works.
6. Yes, a DANA WILL hold more torque than a 9"....at about a 100 lb. unsprung weight disadvantage. And that's not even considering the better gear ratio selection of the 9".
7. F-1? Don't know what they run...those guys tend to keep secrets better that the USN sub service. But I do know that every hard core 600 and 1000cc *** sport bike uses a 1.86/1 or better...some have better than a 2/1
8. And the carb issue?396/375 and 427 engines used a 780 4-barrell or 3/2's....HEMI's used either 2/4's or the biggest thermo-guad made. The BOSS 302 used a 780!! The 429 SHOULD have had at least an 850.
9. I street raced in Burlington,NC, Norfolk, Va., Charleston, SC and only saw ONE HEMI that would run with the BB Chevys....and it was dialed-in by Jake King at Sox&Martin.
10. Who cares about support? Maybe YOU don't....maybe you have an inside line but I know only two guys (Bill Newton in Charleston,SC and Zake Reynold in Winston-Salem, NC) who could get their hands on a tunnel-port or a high-rise 427.
The rest of us who had Fords back then were S.O.L. That's why by 1975 about the only Fords in NASCAR was Bud Moore and the Wood Brothers and even they were reduced to combing the junk yards for BOSS-351 parts.
Pretty sad.
So, you guys keep on defending what Ford did back then. YOU didn't have to live with it. I finally realized that I didn't either, that's why I bought the 427 Chevelle. I give Ford credit for what they have done since the mid 80's when somebody in Dearborn decided to help the guy on the street but I'll never buy another one and as much as I like the 65 coupe it WILL be the last Ford I ever own.

mikethebike said:

I give Ford credit for what they have done since the mid 80's when somebody in Dearborn decided to help the guy on the street but I'll never buy another one and as much as I like the 65 coupe it WILL be the last Ford I ever own.

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because it will run forever and you'll never need to replace it?

mikethebike said:

It was in the Greenville News on either Monday or Tuesday. I went to their web site and couldn't find it. it happened in either Pickens or Anderson Cty. The paper had a photo of the cars. You didn't want to be in the Mustang.

The web site is: greenvillenews.com

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Found the article:

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709240319

That was no 15 mph impact. The driver's rear quarter seems to be completely crumpled - in this pic look at the trooper's legs - there should be a quarter panel there:

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/app...No=923002&Ref=PH&Profile=1069&Params=Itemnr=3

NasaGT said:

Found the article:

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709240319

That was no 15 mph impact. The driver's rear quarter seems to be completely crumpled - in this pic look at the trooper's legs - there should be a quarter panel there:

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/app...No=923002&Ref=PH&Profile=1069&Params=Itemnr=3

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the front of the car is pretty smashed as well. i'd say the Taurus was probably going closer to 60 or more. i've been in wrecks that were faster than 35 mph that didn't have that much damage with as many as 3 cars involved. to be honest the poor lady in the mustang was probably already gone due to the spearomatic steering column before the fire even started. that's sad i feel for her family

NasaGT said:

Found the article:

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709240319

That was no 15 mph impact. The driver's rear quarter seems to be completely crumpled - in this pic look at the trooper's legs - there should be a quarter panel there:

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/app...No=923002&Ref=PH&Profile=1069&Params=Itemnr=3

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I can't see the 1/4 panel due to the door of the Taurus being open. As to the front of the car..I wrecked a 67 in 1968 right into the back of a 59 Chevy...inpact speed was right at 10 mpg...did about the same damage you see on the front of this car. NO crumpled fender..see? I've also seen these cars that were hit at 65 mph and the passenger compartment was folded in the middle of the roof. Ever seen one torn in half? 1968, Burlinngton, NC a new (72 miles) 68 390 GT Fastback openup at the drivers door jamb across the rear floor with the passenger side bent to a 60d egree angle. 2 dead. This is not to let Chevy off the hook...1 week prior 2 brothers cut a 678 Camaro in half with the help of a guard rail...THIS ws the accident that helped NC to decide to bury the leading edge of guard rails only to find years later that the rool-overs created by this "fix" was worse than the 'knife' affect.