HELP im freak out, car is really high idle and loud after seafoam

[Killa]

I think I have massive vacum leak, car is really high idle and loud on the right side of engine, all i did was take off the brakeboost hose, the one connect to the intake, and their a little hose above it, i broke it, i dont know if that the cast or not. 95 mustang gt automatic.


I broke off this small hose on the red arrow picture, what is that hose for ? and i use the big hose on red arrow to put in seafoam

 

[Killa]

update, fix the broken hose, and still high idle at 2k rpm and right side engine sound like a leaf blower.

 

[jrichker]

You probably did some damage to the brake booster grommet. They get old and hard and leak if you mess with the brake vacuum hose.

 

[Killa]

is the gromet u say is the one the circle thing with the hose connect to it ( like in the picture ? ) if that the one u talking about, i dint touch it.

 

[jrichker]

Pull it out of the brake booster housing and inspect it for hardening and cracks. New gromments are available at the auto parts store.

Finding vacuum leaks

Revised 04-Aug-2011 to add pintle cap, PCV grommet & power brake check valve grommet to checklist.

There is no easy way to find vacuum leaks. It is a time consuming job that requires close inspection of each and every hose and connection.

Small vacuum leaks may not show much change using a vacuum gauge. The range of "good readings" varies so much from engine to engine that it may be difficult to detect small leaks. The engine in my first Mustang pulled about 16.5" of vacuum at 650-7250 RPM, which I consider rather low. It was a mass market remanufactured rebuild, so no telling what kind of camshaft it had. Average readings seem to run 16"-18" inches at idle and 18"-21" at 1000 RPM. The only sure comparison is a reading taken when your car was performing at its best through all the RPM ranges and what it is doing now. Use one of the spare ports on the vacuum tree that is mounted on the firewall near the windshield wiper motor.

Use a squirt can of motor oil to squirt around the mating surfaces of the manifold & TB. The oil will be sucked into the leaking area and the engine will change speed. Avoid using flammable substitutes for the oil such as propane or throttle body cleaner. Fire is an excellent hair removal agent, and no eyebrows is not cool...

The vacuum line plumbing is old and brittle on many of these cars, so replacing the lines with new hose is a good plan. The common 1/8” and ¼” vacuum hose works well and isn’t expensive.

The PCV grommet and the power brake booster check valve grommet are two places that often get overlooked when checking for vacuum leaks. The rubber grommets get hard and lose their ability to seal properly. The PVC grommet is difficult to see if it is correctly seated and fitting snugly.

Fuel injector O rings can get old and hard. When they do, they are prone to leaking once the engine warms up. This can be difficult to troubleshoot, since it is almost impossible to get to the injectors to squirt oil into the fuel injector mounting bosses. If the plastic caps on the fuel injectors (pintle caps) are missing, the O rings will slide off the injectors and fall into the intake manifold.

Fuel injector seal kits with 2 O rings and a pintle cap (Borg-Warner P/N 274081) are available at Pep Boys auto parts. Cost is about $3-$4 per kit. The following are listed at the Borg-Warner site ( http://www.borg-warner.com ) as being resellers of Borg-Warner parts:
http://www.partsplus.com/ or http://www.autovalue.com/ or http://www.pepboys.com/ or http://www.federatedautoparts.com/

Most of the links above have store locators for find a store in your area.

Use motor oil on the O rings when you re-assemble them & everything will slide into place. The gasoline will wash away any excess oil that gets in the wrong places and it will burn up in the combustion chamber. Heat the pintle caps in boiling water to soften them to make them easier to install.



Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds

Vacuum leak due to slipped lower intake manifold gasket...

Ask Nicoleb3x3 about the intake gasket that slipped out of place and caused idle and vacuum leak problems that could not be seen or found by external examination. I don't care what you spray with, you won't find the leak when it is sucking air from the lifter valley. It simply isn't possible to spray anything in there with the lower manifold bolted in place.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/ Everyone should bookmark this site.

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Vacuum diagram 89-93 Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangFoxFordVacuumDiagram.jpg

HVAC vacuum diagram
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/Mustang_AC_heat_vacuum_controls.gif

TFI module differences & pinout
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/TFI_5.0_comparison.gif

Fuse box layout
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/MustangFuseBox.gif

 

[Killa]

what is the grommet ?

 

[jrichker]

what is the grommet ?

It is a rubber donut that lines a metal hole. Usually they either serve as seals or prevent damage from whatever passes through the center of the donut by the metal the donut mounts in.

 

[Killa]

check everything, and found no vacum hose that i think might be leak. turn on the car, it still high idle and loud noise like a leef blower on intake air filter ( MAF sensor ) area, i unplug the MAF and car is die, then i crank again and car is idle beutiful. and no noise on air intake area.

went to part store and bought some MAF cleaner, and the torx tool thing, take off the MAF and the side MAF ( facing the air filter, im not a big fan of after market air filter that on fender at all. ) is so dark and burn, clean it off, put back in and car still high idle, but if i unhook the MAF car idle fine, and no noise like leef blower, i rev it up and rmp slowly back down again.

what happent ? i did clean the IAC and check for vacuum leak.

if I plug my MAF , car idle fine, little rough but no high hang idle.

 

[jrichker]

Did you follow the vaccum diagram I posted to make sure all the vacuum lines were properly connected and not broken or cracked?

Have you dumped the codes? You'll get at least one code 66 for disconnecting the MAF.

 

[RangerJoe]

I had a high idle issue a year or two back. It would not always do it and I never messed with unplugging the MAF, so I don't know how that would have affected it. I cleaned the IAC a couple of times, and it looked really clean inside. I ended up replacing it out of frustration, after replacing the TPS with no success. After installing the new IAC, the problem went away. Cleaining it seems to work most the time, but in my case it did not. Can't say thats your problem, but perhaps you can give it a try, or borrow a friend's.

Joe